A Damn Thing

God grant me the serenity

to accept the things

I cannot change,

courage

to change the things I can,

and the wisdom

to know the difference.

We think of those powerful words as "belonging" to 12-step programs, but those came after this was written, and these words actually speak to everyone, no matter your beliefs or your troubles. Let's see how they apply to us.

We frequently see activists...those out trying to create change of some sort make some very similar statements.

From the pedophile activists....the now infamous Rob

You will never silence Us. We will fight for our Rights and there is Not a damn thing that you can do about It !

Michael Gregg aka Zman - RSO Activist

The laws don't work. When will people ever realize no matter how tough on crime, all the zero tolerance, all the registries in the world will not prevent a murder from murdering, a thief from stealing, a dealer from dealing, a user from using, a rapist from raping....

Bill Evans

They can't change a damn thing. Paedophilia has existed since the beginning of time and will exist until the end of time. It's part of the mechanism for the survival of the species.

jd420 - self-described "infantfucker"

Their 'power' couldn't stop a damn thing... and an entire generation has grown up in a paederotically-integrated (or actually, baby-boy-assfucking) world.

Derek Logue - RSO Activist

When it comes down to it, these invasive gestapo laws won't stop the rapes, the molestations, and so forth, but only serves to embitter a specific populace which can only serves to further promote this cause

These are completely false statements. Yes there have been pedofreaks as far back as we know of, that doesn't mean we should approve of it and accept it. Nor does it mean that we won't find a cure for it. Lots of research is being done in this area, a lot of new discoveries have been made that at first glance may not appear to be significant, yet I believe they will add up to a cure for this horrible affliction and most likely during our lifetime.

So no, in the first instance we cannot do anything about the fact that pedophiles exist, not us, not you and I. But someone can. In the meantime we can have the courage to confront the issue, the pedophile activism currently underway, the active child predators, we can do something about those things. And we have the wisdom to know the difference between those things as well.

Will there always be crime? Of course there will, that is a given. But we don't sit back and say 'oh well' someone will always do it so it's pointless to make something illegal or to insist on consequences. We can have the courage to change their activism, to make it more honest. We can leave them no out. We can have the courage to stand up for children and do the right thing, we also have the wisdom to know the difference between those things.

So when Dylan Thomas, the Webmaster of BoyChat and the author of the No More Victims Act of 2007 says something like this

The fact of the matter is, we hold all the cards. We (speaking on the broad scale) have sex with their children. And when they arrest us and put us in jail, a zillion more of us are still having sex with their children. And when they get us in therapy and "cure" us and teach us how not to "offend," a zillion more of us still slip through the cracks and still have sex with their children.

And there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

For every pedophile they arrest and put in jail, ten more are fucking their children.

Or when WP says

I've said this a million times, Dylan and I always get slammed for it. No one wants to admit the fact that the idea of the "celibate paedophile" is a kite that jut won't fly because it implies we are sexless or without a sex drive something that isn't real. It also tells the world you're a lying idiot if you actually expect them to buy that horse shit, worse still, schizophrenic if you actually believe it yourself.

Or when Jason says

Masturbation has no known harmful effects on an otherwise healthy child. Even if a child were forcibly masturbated against his/her will, any harm would be minimal and quickly overcome if parents and the law took a sensible attitude toward the "assault"

We can only shake our heads in consternation at the sheer lunacy of these people. It's quite silly of them actually as everyone can clearly see that we CAN do something, we WILL do something and we ARE doing something.

Their responses to our critiques thus far have been anything from complete silence, to the standard pedofreak LAME response

I just LOVE children, why I'd never hurt children

to the pathological

"C" downloads child porn and picks up minors on the net please report this dangerous woman who is also aka Stitches

to the bizarre

Jesus was a pedophile although his actions were not illegal at the time. Laws have changed but it is not likely that God has changed what He considers to be a sin. He got it right the first time.

to the grotesque

Jessica was not tortured and her death comes across more as an assisted suicide than a murder.

to the frustrated

If any anti even comes with in spitting distance of me, they will be dead. They will no longer live. I will fucking kill them. So if they want to stay alive they can leave me alone.

The cognitively distorted

I don't advocate wanton violence. I don't believe in collateral damage. But I'm a firm believer in self-defense, and also a firm believer that the best defense against an irrational enemy is to put him down permanently.

The demented

The 'life' of 77Stitches_in_the_cunt. I don't remember where I heard that these females could be healed only with a good, extremely strong kick at the snatch.

And the really, really, really stupid

The reason why AZ and PJ won't post THEIR addresses or show their faces is because they'd have a big-rig through their homes the next day. There are plenty of truckers who'd love to tie those guys on both ends to the DOT bumpers and hit 10th gear. And nobody would ever find them again.

These are all excellent responses. Reactions such as these merely prove they are hysterical nut cases with no clear rebuttal to what we actually said that set them off to begin with. In fact, most times they don't even know or understand what it was we said. They read what they 'think' it says which sometimes leads them to make serious mistakes in their "knee jerk reactions".

When people like this make these outrageous remarks, radical attempts to change society or laws that are absolutely detrimental to children's safety I, for one, will be talking about it. I'll inform everyone I possibly can, I'll shout it from the rooftops if I have to. I WILL be heard, and I'll get others to help spread the message.....far and wide.

And there's not a damn thing they can do about it.

Gangs of Thugs

Absolute Zero has been focusing heavily on RSO activists for the past 9 months. And while I think it's obvious to everyone here just exactly how devious and heartless those people are, there may be a question as to just what exactly that may have to do with an anti-pedophile blog.

Is there a difference?

In RSO activism and pedophile activism?

If there is, I've yet to find it. Their rhetoric is the same as the pedophile activists - the only difference is that the RSOs try to put disclaimers on theirs by stating "We don't support pedophiles!" while supporting pedophiles.

As if no one would notice.

The CEO of Sosen for example signed that pro-pedophile petition which called for the abolishment of virtually all restrictions and punishments regarding sex offenders AND calls for the abolishment of age of consent laws for prepubescent children. When confronted with this Sosen claimed ignorance and the woefully stupid statement that "there are no pedophiles in our group". Apparently they believe that because they can't see them they don't exist -- And yet, they can't see ME -- does that mean I also don't exist?

What it all boils down to is this... those people will say ANYthing whether or not it's true, whether or not they believe it. They will stab their own supporters in the back to get what they want. When all is said and done they have a "ME ME ME" mentality. So while they do understand that they need each other they would be more than willing to throw their brother under the train if it suited their purpose at the time. They react thoughtlessly, and impulsively and if they are ever sorry for one second for something they've done, they would never admit it, they would never express remorse. Jan Kruska is a fine example of this one. She's done more to hurt sex offender groups than any other single person or group of persons combined.

There are approximately 600,000 registered sex offenders in this country. Of those there are only a handful that are activists. Of the activists there are only a handful that are sex offenders. Why is that? Because they have their enablers doing the dirty work for them. These co-dependent mousy women whose lives depend on 'standing by their men' whether it's their spouse or their child, they will rationalize for them. Minimize their crime. Blame the victim. Bash the victim. Mock the victim. They'll lie, they'll cheat, they'll even steal. They'll try to find ways to rip off the system, and the taxpayers. They'll call you ugly names and accuse you of being ignorant and uneducated. They'll say you're a professional victim. Or in the case of Cheryl Griffiths, she'll just call you "disgusting" "scum sucking idiot" etc etc etc

So, no, not all activists are RSO's. Some are family members and some are in it for seemingly altruistic motives. Think Margie Slagle, Sarah Tofte, Niki Delson. Their thinking is just as distorted but without the same motivations present. It's no less dangerous, it's no less outrageous, and it's no less supportive of pedophile causes.

Sometimes these activists say things like "these sex offender laws should only apply to the ONE PERCENT of RSO's who are truly dangerous" The question that begs to be answered then is "who do they consider dangerous"? Obviously not those repeat offenders deemed at high risk of re-offense at Coalinga Hospital. After all, they rallied to get them released.....against the advice of experts. And where do they get that one percent figure? Well, they SAY that the majority of registered sex offenders were convicted for consensual sex, or for drunken mooning or for peeing behind a bush. Well that may or may not be true, but if it is, I've yet to see someone charged for peeing behind a bush and put on a sex offender registry. And if it HAS indeed happened, it's not one of THESE people we're discussing. No, their offenses are far worse than that.

This is what I think. I think they need to stop blaming society, the government, parents, and the victims for what they think is unfair and look to themselves and try to find what's missing.

Perhaps instead of blaming, minimizing, rationalizing, bashing, mocking, lying, cheating and deceiving they should tell Lee Lee to take care of her other children before they turn out the same way. Perhaps they should tell Linda that it's not appropriate for her to ask for donations considering her welfare fraud conviction. Perhaps they should tell Tikibug to stop posting on pedophile websites. Perhaps they should look long and hard at exactly who they are involved with and the projects they're undertaking on their behalf. Perhaps. And yet, perhaps is a word too big for these people. Perhaps has possibility. These gangs of thugs have none.

HT to Jacey

Ulterior Motives

Reposted from July 19, 2007

Perverts have a new plan, yeah. They have a petition they want people to sign. But before we take a look at what's on it, let's see what a pervert is:






Here we have Unico


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He tells us clearly what he thinks about little girls, doesn't he?







And here we have Abraxas

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He strongly supports this petition.


An Urgent Call to Support the Well-Being of Children and the Rights of Us All

1. Abolish all provisions of state and Federal sex offender registries that publicly shame offenders. There should be no internet or other public posting of the identity, photograph, address, workplace or personal information of any offender.......
   In cases of genuinely violent sex crimes, especially against young children, and with a specific finding of a likelihood to re-offend, registration may be required, but information will be shared only among police officials.........
   Strong penalties should be levied against police or others privy to the registration information who violate the privacy of the offenders



2. Abolish all life-time civil commitment for sex offenders who have completed prison sentences and/or parole and probation
   In cases of violent offenses and specific findings of a likelihood to re-offend, carefully constructed court hearings, with medical advice and full due process, should determine if the person may be further incarcerated, and then only for a short time and with regular review



3. Stop public vilification and demonization of sex offenders. Oppose the use in the media or by public officials of obviously pejorative language with regard to offenders. Use of the term "pedophile" should be extremely limited and accurate. Children should be defined as persons under the age of puberty.



4. De-criminalize all consensual sexual activities among teenagers. Stop all required sex offender registration for minors



5. Abolish all laws that provide the death penalty or life in prison without parole for sex offenders.



6. Support broad sex education for children, and empower them to make their own decisions and stand up for their rights



7. Provide accurate information and support valid research about sex offender characteristics and recidivism rates



8. Help sex offenders re-enter society by abolishing measures which make it difficult for them to find a place to live and a decent job. Encourage support groups for sex offenders, including help with finding housing, employment and effective treatment, before their release and afterward

Yes, Abraxas likes it.......sorta

" Though this reform does not go far enough--none has yet for me--it is a great beginning toward common sense and justice.

THIS IS A MUST READ!"



I wonder what Jessica Lundsford would think of all that?




Or Dylan Groen?

Or all the people walking this earth today who are carrying the scars left by men who think of them as throw-away objects.

Yes, I wonder what they think of this petition.

But I think we may have an answer from the pen of one of GirlChat's finest. The infamous Turtle explains what they all show us everyday........the scorn they feel for CSA survivors.



"why do i read posts by angry "christian" women that go on and on about how sick and evil it is and how their lives were ruined?

are you that weak minded? do you have to find someone else to blame for your own personal failures?

it was one event,it shouldnt ruin your life. kids in other countries live through much worse. stop whining,and put the blame where it belongs:on your own shoulders. sex is a beautiful thing and only becomes perverted when you decide that it is perverted"


95% of all child molestations are committed by pedophiles. Pedophiles mock society, they mock children, they mock parents and they mock sex abuse victims. They have nothing to offer this world but misery and heartache. They are all filthy pedophiles. And if they try to pull the number on you...."they just LOVE children, oh no they aren't the child molesters..........they are the true child lovers" well you can rest assured that they are LYING. It's one of the things they do best.

"Think if you can"

So speaks Bennie Walton.

A big HT to OperationSoRoarFul for passing on this juicy comment left by Bennie Walton

Benoliwal, you see is a sex offender activist. Whether following in the footsteps of all the others or whether they are following in his is yet to be determined. The point is what he's saying.

He believes that the problem with people who prey on children is all the fault of the parents and children who go where they don't belong. Bennie instructs us all to "think if you can"

OKAY. We will.

Expressions in one way or another made by parents who can’t and won’t take responsibility for their own children and what they are doing to get propositioned in the first place by strangers on the Internet.

There are sayings of irresponsible parents, vigilantes, and legislators who have taken up the banner of vigilantism.

To get propositioned in the first place? What? Bennie goes on to tell us that if children get on the internet and go to age-inappropriate sites that apparently they deserve whatever they get. If their parents are neglectful or irresponsible parents well it's their fault. WA LA Let's be sure and plant all the blame exactly where it belongs here........the victim.

Who cares about balanced laws and equity, surely not the vigilante, nor the parents who want to blame everyone else for their lack of control over their children? If children, under the age of 13 are propositioned on the Internet by strangers, then the question bares asking, what are these young children doing in places on the Internet where they do not belong? It isn’t the fault of the sex offender, or the pedophile, it is the fault of clueless and weak parents and guardians.

I'm thinking that with Bennie's line of reasoning a few other questions needs answers as well. If a child gets molested in the park, or the restroom or the department store or his coach's car, well what the hell was he doing there in the first place? If a child is molested by his teacher what the hell was he doing being at school? If a child gets molested in his home by a pedo-parent or an uncle or cousin or neighbor or friend of the family, what the hell was he thinking being in the home of a pedophile in the first place? "It isn't the fault of the sex offender or the pedophile"

Granted there are bad parents out there. There are also good parents. And whether a childs parent is good or bad they don't deserve to be molested. And while there are a lot of things you can do to try and minimize the chances that something like that will happen to your child nothing, absolutely nothing is fail proof. We cannot lock our children up inside our homes with dead-bolts and bars on the window. We cannot keep them on a leash no more than 5 feet from our presence. And stupid activists should not be trying to make other people responsible for their own actions. Period.

Derek Logue

My victim was a follower. She has a GIRLFRIEND now. She has the reputation of being wild and of loose morals. A regular Lolita enjoying her illicit relationships...I have at least some buffer in knowing she was corrupt long before I met her.

Shirley Lowery

Parents are passing their warped views on to their children. Children are taught that anything inappropriate that happens to them is the fault of someone else.

Lindsay Ashford

Of course, such activity has been declared illegal in most places and Sugar and Spice clearly states this, but it certainly would not do to have children learning that their parents, schools, churches and lawmakers are lying to them when they say that all intimate touching is ‘bad touch’

Blueribbon

We must work with children in order to counter-indocrinate them, so that they don’t grow up to have the appalling values of the adults of today.

Susan McHolland

I blame whatever is causing this country to forget its values and the constitution itself - I blame the ignorant, uneducated public who by either the poor state of our system of justice, politics, education, and morals, or by their own choice, throw themselves gleefully into the realm of the “sheep mentality” which is becoming so prevalent in our society today

Jan Kruska

"The common thread with all of these cases is that the parents were living less than, shall we say, good moral lifestyles....."

IPCE

Many young people prefer consciously to have their own secrets. They make their own choices and do not want to be protected. ‘Don’t treat me as a child’, they say. It is their right to have this freedom. The freedom to say no and the freedom to say yes

And speaking of IPCE, I wonder if Jan Kruska has tried to sue them yet for posting her entire article in their newsletter. IPCE: International Pedophile and Child Emancipation. On the other hand. Perhaps she just gave them permission, they do appear to promote the same goals after all.

The Common Thread

Once upon a time Jan Kruska wrote about what she felt the common thread was among children murdered by sexual deviants.

She believes it is because their parents are human and less than perfect.

Unlike her of course.

We've had a lot of things to say about that. I'm sure we'll have a lot more things to say in the future. But for today we're going to talk about a common thread and ask once again Who are these men?

These men that we've talked about (and occasionally women) have some very basic similarities. One of which is to claim that THEY aren't dangerous. It's not THEM. Their crimes should be exempt. Sure, they will admit that there are indeed people who do harm to children. They just deny that it's them. "Well sure, I did it", they'll say, followed quickly by "But it was just a mistake". Of course they would never, ever do it again because didn't you know that a DOJ recidivism study done over a period of 3 years PROVES that sex offenders don't have high recidivism rates?

Let's look at a few of these men closer. Here we have Johnny Ray Lee. He claimed that "statistically speaking, you as a parent are more likely to molest your own child than a registered sex offender is". Johnny said that very thing to a stranger at a buffet bar. It was part of his activism, you see. Of course, he also said "As a diagnosed pedophile who was chemically castrated, I can assure you it doesn't work. In order to stop a pedophile from re-offending you would also have to cut out his brains, cut off his tongue and cut off his hands."

That was a member of Sosen and Roar for Freedom, and also an avid supporter of SOclear and SOhopeful. He just received a 35 year prison sentence.

And what have we here? Why it's Christopher Smithson aka "Slavetoboys", the most recent pedohead to fall and the first conviction attributable to the Wikisposure project. Chris just received 6 years in prison.

You see, Christopher liked to write "fictional" accounts of having sex with children. It turns out that, well - it wasn't fictional. Chris wrote:

"if a child 4-17 wonts to have any type of sex with any type of person, it should be against the law to stop them"

How is that statement different from the Reform Sex Offender Laws petition which calls for abolishment of age of consent laws? The petition which was signed by NAMBLA members along with members of:

• SOclear
• SOhopeful
• SOSEN
• Roar for Freedom
• Operation Awareness
  

Some of those people include:

• Linda Pehrson
• Jan Kruska (RSO)
• Lee Lee Lawless
• Amanda Rogers (nonexistent person)
• Lois Paul
• Amanda Meeker
• Jacqueline Horst
• Margaret Jenkins
• Betty Price
• Jackie Sparling
• C. David Hess (RSO)
• Betty Schneider
• Linda Tauer

Among others.

Yes they all believe there should be no age of consent laws. Apparently they are ok with 4 year olds being sexually exploited. Yes, they want them to be able to make their own decisions regarding sex, you see. I'm not putting words in their mouths. Oh no. THEY are the ones who signed it.

Here we have another man we recently talked about. Jim Freeman, who was running an international pedophile ring and directly responsible for the sexual abuse of an untold number of children, 40 of which have been rescued as a result of Operation Achilles.

Jim Freeman was the c0-founder along with Tom Madison of SOhopeful. An organization presenting itself as a support network for RSO's and their loved ones, but whose primary goal was to abolish the punishments, penalties and restrictions that apply to those who sexually violate others.

How do Jim Freeman, Johnny Ray Lee and Christopher Smithson differ? They don't. They are all pedophiles. They were all 3 involved in the exploitation and sexual abuse of children.

All 3 are repeat sex offenders.

The Department of Justice reports a low recidivism rate over a period of 3 years post release from prison for new sex crimes. Longer, more thorough studies done over periods of up to 15-30 years reveal a much higher rate, with an average of 25% and some reports going as high as 60-70% for NEW sex crimes.

Even Sarah Tofte of the Human Rights Watch says that 25% of all sex offenders will reoffend within only 15 years. Sarah said she found that statistic striking. She uses that statistic to claim that RSO's aren't a danger to society.

I find that idiotic conclusion striking.

Currently in the state of Georgia, a state considered to have some of the strictest sex offender laws in the nation, out of over 15,000 RSO's there are only 39 registered sex offenders under the age of 20.

I find that statistic striking.

Four months ago in the state of Georgia there were only 70 RSO's under the age of 20.

I find that statistic striking.

The fact is that RSO activists are using teen issues to further their cause. They couldn't care less if same aged teenagers are allowed to legally have sex with each other. No, what these people want is to be able to have sex with these children themselves. Look at their histories, and look at their crimes.

I believe you too, will find it striking.

I suggest remaining vigilant. Keep your eyes and ears open to pedospeak and pedologic. Watch for media spin, watch for unethical journalists calling a CSA victim someone's "lover". Watch for those who call prostituted children "child prostitutes". And absolutely watch for those who victimize children and then refer to themselves as the "true victims" and the actual victim as a "professional victim who refuses to take responsibility for being abused"

Watch for people like Michael Gregg aka ZMan! who claims the little girl he exposed himself to should be jailed....and watch when Betty Price concurs.

Watch for someone claiming we do teenagers a disservice because in 1850 it was common to get married immediately after puberty....completely overlooking the fact that in 1850 -- slavery was legal, women could not vote, disease was rampant and the life expectancy was 39 years.. What significance does the AOC in 1850, 1620, 939 or 55 BC have to do with 2008? I sort of have a feeling that cave men didn't even HAVE an AOC of any sort, does that mean we should act like Neanderthals?

Watch for someone who claims our society is sexually repressed because the age of consent is only 9 in Yemen. Completely overlooking the fact that women in Yemen are beaten and battered into submission. Legally. Completely overlooking the fact that 96% of women in Yemen are sexually controlled by forced female genital mutilation.

Watch for someone who defends an 18 year old for having sex with a 14 year old, then when asked the question "Would you have done it if she had been 12?" the response being "Oh NO, absolutely not, there must be a 'line' somewhere" Completely overlooking the fact that there WAS a line and it was crossed.

All those things are known as spin. Those are things you need to watch out for. Spin is an unethical manipulation of factual information to make something appear to mean something that in reality it does not mean.

Spin is evil.
Spin is enabling behavior.
The Antis won't stand for it.

And the Witch Hunt Continues.....

Curtis of BoyChat fame says

"what the witchhunt seeks to prevent is consensual sex and erotic love between a boy and a man"

And Jan Kruska says

"States across the country are now lifting the "staute [sic] of limitations" on sex crimes. I think it is safe to say they [sic] most of us can now start shitting our pants"

I thought that was a pretty interesting statement. She said it in her article titled ...AND THE WITCH HUNT CONTINUES And what do you know? Jan is on a witch hunt herself.

We talked about her attempt to slander Anti's with her fabricated accusations of child pornography. But Jan made other accusations that I'd like to address as well. Specifically her statements revealing her bigotry and religious intolerance.

We all know how those who oppose us consistently state that our mission is based upon Christian Fundamentalism. So I'd like to refer you to a post we did about this very thing way back when. Located HERE we discussed the fact that AZ is not a political group nor a religious group. Our members come from a diverse background with the common thread being the fact that we all oppose pedophiles. We don't talk about religion because it has no bearing on this topic. The hatred and scorn that society feels towards those who prey on children crosses all lines. It's universal.

Jan Kruska in her pathetic attempt to expose anti's made this statement:

"almost without exception: each Perverted Justice member is either an Atheist or a Wiccan/Pagan"

I can't for the life of me figure out where she got that except that the innocent person she attacked, exposed and defamed is Wiccan. This person who is not a member of PeeJ nor a member of AZ. Yet the question begs to be answered, so what if they were? The pedoheads jumped right on it too

taf-kat

"Was enjoying the read until the atheist bit - I'm an atheist, and I wouldn't like to thing [sic] that being one is a term of abuse per se"

CrimsonVampire

"Whats wrong with this? Whats wrong with being an Atheist or a Wiccan/Pagan? They make it seem like a bad thing. Most Witches are very loving and kind people"

Baldur

"so I am not surprised to find that both PJ and GC have a large number of Atheists and Wiccans. Both groups consist of people who are not exactly in the majority"

Theo

"That bit caught me off guard too. Mostly because it's such a bizarrely irrelevant thing to bring up"

Spherious

"ROFLMGOPMP rollingonfloorlaughingmygutsoutpissingmypants....."

Scapegoat

"It would seem to me that bringing up to the religious persuasions (or lack thereof) of PJ members at the end of the article is simply an ad hominem. If the allegation is true, though, it might make those that believe the death of religion will necessarily lead to the liberation of boylovers think twice"

Dylan Thomas

"It's a shame the reporter used a word-choice that makes it sound like the religion itself matters"

JamieB

"While this particular article is awfully written, I don't think it's doing us any good to try to distance ourselves from such articles - as the saying goes, "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!". Specifying that they're all wiccans and pagans is, I agree, logically irrelevant to the debate"

Enochian

"Quite frankly, Ms. Rogers' piece was so rambling and tried to connect so many unrelated things, that it closely resembled the nonsense disseminated by Peej itself"

King of Hearts

"So what you're saying is.........it's a witch hunt"

A witch hunt? Oh no, see Jan went back and doctored her article. Now it says

"Other discoveries are that almost without exception: each Perverted Justice member is either an Atheist or a Wiccan/Pagan (giving Wiccans a bad name because theirs is a very peaceful religion)"

*Head Snap*

What was that? It sounds to me as though Jan found out that it wasn't cool to disparage someone's religious beliefs simply because she's prejudiced against it herself. It appears to me that Jan is trying to placate the pedo community while maintaining her position of 'fire into the crowd and perhaps you'll hit the right person' She's saying here that it's wrong for Anti's to be Atheist, Christian, Jewish, Wiccan or any other religion because SHE thinks it would make other Atheists, Christians, Jews or Wiccans look bad to have a common belief. She tried to fix her mistake and made it worse.

And she DARES to claim others are ignorant, hypocritical, and bigoted?

"Native Americans, Salem “Witches”, African Americans, Homosexuals, and now Sex Offenders. While people cannot change their skin color or perhaps their sexual preference ALL have suffered or are suffering from the same irrational hate. A hate born of ignorance and fear. What does this say about us as a society?"

You tell us Jan. You tell us why you singled out a completely innocent person. A person who has never been involved with this issue and proceeded to accuse her of downloading child pornography, “intimidates, threatens and harasses her chosen victims”, “uses photographs of children to entice men” and lastly, the coup de tête of your malicious attack: “conspires to commit blackmail, harassment and intimidation, slander whereby she encourages others to commit fraud, cyberstalking, physical harm and murder to those she targets”.

You tell us why you made those wild, hysterical allegations of Anti's being lesbians, Wiccans, making yarn art, being adopted or even fat considering how tolerant you are. To use your words, Jan, "perhaps stupid has indeed been telling dumb dumb what to do" eh?

Meet Ku Klux Jan

Graphics courtesy of Jacey

Pedospeak

Back in December we talked about pedophiles trying to legitimize their perversions. We said

Pedophiles try to legitimize their perversion by calling themselves child lovers. Boy lovers or girl lovers for those 'exclusively' attracted. Some prefer the term minor attracted adult. MAA. They don't particularly like the term baby raper. They prefer intergenerational sex, as though softening the sound of it will improve their reputations.

We need to never, ever use those words. They are pedophiles! They are child molesters, baby rapers, soul thieves, manipulators, liars, pedovores and pedofreaks. They are freakopaths, creepazoids, monsters, predators and destroyers of children. Pedophiles are many many things, but there's one thing they're not and that's child lovers.

And here we talked about how Jan Kruska was linking to a pedophile website and promoting pedophile propaganda, repeating pedospeak on her website with the very clear intent of normalizing pedophilia. To summarize, this report was a study of arousability, the results of which were that some men were simply more easily aroused that others. But Jan links to what she apparently believes is the actual report itself when in actuality it is a pedophile website and a pedophiles interpretation of that report. "This study is probably the most comprehensive scientific study investigating pedophillia." This was not a study of pedophilia, nor did it claim to be. It was a study on arousability only. One would think an ethical writer would read the ACTUAL report rather than relying on filthy pedophiles to interpret it for you. The key word here being ethical. Or perhaps it's just someone with an agenda.

The results of surveys like this smash any theories that pedophiles are but a small minority. Combine this with what we know about internet habits and other factors and you no longer have a minority, like the gay community, you have a huge silent majority. Surveys like this suggest that something like 8 or 9 out of ten men are sexually attracted to young girls as well as women. Shocking? Not really. Women have known that instinctively for years. Women would pay a fortune for the skin, sparkling eyes and body of a 10-year-old. This is not an effort to undermine women - shapely women will always be attractive to men. It is those with slim girl-like figures however, that receive many times more attention.

Here Xavier talks about pedospeak. See the wikisposure entry, and familiarize yourself with the terms. Then don't let them get away with using them!

BL - Boylove or Boylover

GL - Girllove or Girllover

LB - Little Boy

LBL - Little Boy Lover

LGs - Little Girls

YF - Young Friend

No matter what name pedophiles want to give themselves, here at Absolute Zero they will always be regarded as Child Molesters, Baby Rapers and Perverts. As it should be.

Obligations and Boundaries

Have you ever noticed how similar the rhetoric of sex offender activists and pedophile activists is?

I have. I've noticed it a lot.

Of particular interest is their mutual desire to abolish age of consent laws. We don't need to ask why, we know why, don't we? Instead, let's talk about their reasoning.

On the one hand you have the pedophile group who say that children should be able to make their own decisions. We have Unico who says:

"There exist sexually-active 4-year-old girls who enjoy vaginal intercourse. What you or I think, is irrelevant to that fact.

Even first-time vaginal intercourse can be enjoyable, when preceded by several months of stretching

Anybody who would obstruct a prepubescent person from her inherent right to choose to have sexual intercourse is neither a true youth liberationist nor human rights advocate.

Access to sex education specific to prepubescent people should be mandated."

And here we have Lindsay Ashford being interviewed on the radio. What does he say about that issue?

Scott: Do you think that a 5 year old grasps what's going on well enough to be able to consent to sexual activity?

Lindsay: A 5 year old understands friendship. A 5 year old understands affection.

Scott: So can a 2 year old?

Lindsay: A 2 year old understands pleasure.

Scott: So they can consent to sex?

Lindsay: They can consent to pleasurable activity

Scott: Can a 6 month old do that?

Lindsay: I'm sure that 6 months old also have nerve endings and understanding and an understanding of what is pleasurable to them, yes

Scott: So a 6 month old can consent to sex

Lindsay: A 6 month old can consent to activity that it finds pleasurable

What does the petition we've talked so much about say? The one Jan Kruska and so many of her activist associates signed?

"Support broad sex education for children, and empower them to make their own decisions and stand up for their rights"

It then goes on to define 'children'

"Children should be defined as persons under the age of puberty."

And yes, many RSO activists signed it. So where do you draw the line? As far as age of consent goes? Is it 18? 16? 14? And with the age of consent law in place whatever that age is, what do you do when someone breaks that law? Slap them on the wrist? What I DO know for sure, is that the activists who are pushing for abolishment of age of consent laws and abolishment of punishment and registration for sex offenders were NOT convicted of having teenaged consensual sex. Their crimes were far worse than that and they are further exploiting children by trying to argue that the very RARE case of teenagers who end up on the registry is representative of their entire population. The vast majority of teens who find themselves convicted of a crime are not on the registry because of a consensual act. They may be listed as statutory rape, but you can bet your bottom dollar that it was a plea deal that gave them that listing.

Furthermore, if the crime was a felony charge, and the offender plead guilty and accepted a plea deal reducing the conviction on the books to a misdemeanor. Does that mean their crime was less than when they committed it? Absolutely not. The actual crime remains the same, but their legal maneuver reduced their penalty.

Let's look at an example of the propaganda. Jan Kruska said last year on a podcast with Tom Madison, that 95% of those on the registry are not dangerous people. She says they were convicted for things such as drunken mooning, or children "playing doctor". Does anyone know where she got this made up "fact"? Or how about Tim from Sosen, who says that 73% of all offenders on the sex offender registry committed their crimes against someone who was over the age of 18, while the fact is that 87% of victims were UNDER the age of 18. Why does Tim say that 40% of offenders were under the age of 18 upon conviction while the true number is that less than 10% were minors? Why would these people lie to you in an attempt to bring about social change?

Here are a couple of things you can do besides just hit and miss searching on a registry. Go to the Illinois sex offender registry and download it in entirely into an Excel document. Sort and resort by the information that's on there. Say for example the age of the offender at the time of conviction along with the age of the victim. It's quite interesting. Did you know that the average age at conviction was mid thirties?

Georgia is another state that allows you to download their registry although it doesn't list the age of the victim. What you'll find is that the average age at conviction was 32 years old. You'll also find that less than 10% of those registered in Georgia were under the age of 20 at conviction. And in fact, at the present time in Georgia there are only 39 offenders under the age of 20. Even more interesting is the fact that 4 months ago there were a total of 70 teenaged sex offenders in Georgia. If these new laws are soooooo "draconian", if they are sooooo over broad, why is that number going DOWN instead of UP?

It's because it's not true what they say. It's also not true when they say their primary interest is child safety, and a desire for the laws to be 'effective'. The real truth is they are all pissed off sex offenders who don't want to accept responsibility for their actions. Tom Madison proved that when he rallied to gain support for releasing violent repeat sexual predators from their court imposed civil commitment. His primary interest was certainly not safety, his concern was the sex offenders wasting their time and the cost to non-sex offenders. LOL Well he DID say that after all.

And let us not forget one of the ring leaders of the RSO activists. Jim Freeman, co-founder and executive director of SoHopeful. Read more about that HERE, read also how Cheryl Griffith tried to cover it up.

And while you're at it, read what Dr. Gene Abel had to say from a study he did which included 16,109 adults who admitted sexually molesting at least one child.

40% of child molesters, who were later diagnosed as having pedophilia, had molested a child by the time they were 15 years old. An estimated 88% of child molesters and 95% of molestations (one person, multiple acts) are committed by individuals who now or in the future will also meet criteria for pedophilia. Pedophilic child molesters on average commit 10 times more sexual acts against children than nonpedophilic child molesters.

There may be innocent people imprisoned for murder who truly are innocent. But we don't lobby to abolish all laws regarding murder as a result. The same is true for sex offenders. ***IF*** these activists motives were truly about teenagers, THAT is what they would be addressing. But they are only further exploiting kids to further their own agenda. Very, very few teenagers are convicted for having consensual sex, it is rare, and it is the exception. But adults convicted for manipulating young teens is far too common. We understand this completely. They don't.

Graphics courtesy of Jacey

There are worse things in life

What do these men have in common?



Kenneth Stone


Corey Saunders


David Flavell

Before I answer that question, I'd like to go back a moment to the petition we talked about HERE. Alex Marbury and Paul Shannon want to reform sex offender laws. I'm sure you'll recall. Some of the things they called for was abolishment of age of consent laws and requiring children to be responsible for their own abuse. They also want to abolish the death penalty and life sentences. They want to abolish the sex offender registry and ban you from knowing if your neighbor is a convicted child molester under great penalties to you if you should find out. But they also want to abolish civil commitments. Because after all they've served their time. Haven't they? And according to Alex and Paul these changes are the only things that will keep people safe from sexual offenders.

Alex and Paul recently sponsored a rally to gain support for releasing violent sexual predators deemed at high risk to re-offend from their civil commitments. We didn't talk about this rally, because, well we wanted to see how it would go without our commentary. And one of the main speakers Tom Madison of SoClear Media Productions didn't want anyone to find out, which is comical really when you think about it. Have a rally to gain support but only let those who already support you know about it. Chalk one up for The Anti's.

If these people had a valid counter-argument for our opinions they would have WANTED us drawing attention to it. Nor would Alex and Paul make statements such as this

"Because a previous demonstraton in Ohio by sex offenders and their families was harrassed by bigots, you should be prepared for this possibility."

"Ask any friends you tell about this to keep the time and place of the rally confidential."

Hmmmm, harassment which consists of writing counter opinions and peacefully counter demonstrating. Seems to me these guys are flat out un-American. Not to mention whiney victim cryers. If we speak out about their rhetoric that makes us vigilantes. But of course we already knew this wasn't the brightest of the bright, eh? It's just merely another form of blame gaming which goes hand in hand with their distinct brand of mental illness.

Nevertheless, the rally went as planned. Very few people attended of course, mainly those who had a loved one confined at Coalinga State Hospital for violent sexual predators. And we didn't even have to hijack this rally for it to be an utter failure. Hey! Our strategy proved once again to be right on.

One of the attendees said that her loved one was confined there due to a sexual offense he committed while on parole for another sexual offense but then stated "He's no different than any other criminal, he's served his time". That's an example of an enabling apologist in denial.

These guys want out. They've tried lots of ways. They've held hunger strikes, seemingly oblivious to the obvious continued mentality of using manipulation as a tool. They refuse to accept treatment and they call the hospital a 'concentration camp'. I don't know about you, but if they want to hold a hunger strike I say more power to them. I'll put my support behind that, sure. Who do they think they are? What kind of sexual offenders would say "If you don't let me outta here I'm gonna quit eating"? My opinion is that it's the type of sex offenders who should be civilly committed to the Coalinga State Hospital for sexually violent offenders at a danger to re-offend. But, that's me.

Tom Madison disagrees however. From KMPH

But registered sex offender Tom Madison says, he doesn't think the extra treatment is worth the sex offender's time or the taxpayer's dollars.

"They simply want to get on with their lives, but the fear and hysteria is in the stratosphere today," said Madison.

Rather than talk about the predators that society is currently safe from - those being held at Coalinga. I think we should talk about violent sexual predators who were released from prison "after serving their time" - and despite evidence that they were still dangerous and likely to re-offend - were NOT civilly committed as requested. Let's talk about 3 of those. Released by the same judge. Judge Moses.

First up we have Corey Saunders, with previous convictions for rape of a child with force and assault and battery of a child, Judge Moses didn't believe the evidence that he was at a high risk of re-offending. No, he said, Corey hadn't re-offended in 7 years. Ignoring the fact that he was in prison during those 7 years. Corey raped a 6 year old boy in the library shortly after release.

Then we have David Flavell, who "had been arrested and convicted on a variety of sex offenses between 1996 and 2003, including masturbating in public, threatening children and brutally beating and attempting to rape a woman in Methuen. That 1996 attack took place just hours after he’d been arrested for masturbating in a department store." Judge Moses refused to commit him, he didn't believe he was dangerous. No, not David. He was arrested in January for peering into a womens restroom stall. "Flavell was carrying a backpack with three pairs of work gloves, a ski mask and a roll of duct tape and had put a magazine rack outside the ladies room to make it appear it was out of service"

How about the latest case of irresponsibility committed by Judge Moses. Kenneth Stone "In separate incidents in 1989, 1991 and 1995, Stone was convicted of indecent assault and battery on a person 14 or older and in May of 1991 and again in October of 1991 he was convicted of assault with intent to rape." Now in February, after Judge Moses ruled he was fit to be returned to society, Stone has been arrested for raping a man......less than three weeks after the Judge let him go free.

The issue

At issue is a state statute which allows the district attorney to petition to have sex offenders who’ve completed their criminal sentences declared sexually dangerous and civilly committed much the way a person deemed a danger to himself or others may be committed to a psychiatric hospital.

ABC Channel 6 news did an investigative report on Moses on Feb. 7, in which reporter Jim Hummel analyzed 42 sexually dangerous person petitions in Bristol County in the past seven years. Of those, judges granted the petitions half the time, Hummel reported.

Moses was the only judge who released every offender who came before him, a total of six, including Stone, Saunders and Flavell

THOSE are men who should have been civilly committed. Those are men just like those in Coalinga Hospital that Tom Madison feels we don't deserve protection from because

• A. It's not fair to the offender
• B. It costs too much money
  

Funny thing about that is, the only people complaining about how much it costs are sex offenders. Those of us who aren't sex offenders - 99.8% of the population....are more than willing to pay the price. Although, if they want to argue COST, I'd be more than happy to lobby for the death penalty for child molesters. Conviction.....appeal.....execution. That would certainly solve the problem of sexually violent deranged individuals. It'll save us money and they can't re-offend! I suppose one might say

"There are worse things in life than being on a sex offender registry"

or perhaps they might say

"There are worse things in life than being confined in Coalinga State Hospital for the sexually violent predator"

That logic is good enough for me because after all Jan Kruska says:

"While sexual abuse is despicable there are indeed things that are much worse in life"

Graphics courtesy of Jacey

The Rest of the Story

Originally posted October 15, 2007.

We've decided that since we've been talking about Jan Kruska so much here lately, that we should go ahead and tell the rest of the story so we can move on. We've hinted at things she's done, and in some cases outright accused her of harassment, cyberstalking, blackmail, threats and libel. And you know, if I hadn't been seeing these things myself I don't think I would have believed them. So I'm going to show you some of it now.

You see, it all began when we wrote about the sex reform petition and the outrageous things it was calling for. One of the stipulations on that petition is

We have made a conscious decision not to seek out the signatures of sex offenders

So we were just trucking along doing what we do and checking out all the signatures when lo and behold we ran across one of them on YouTube. We left comments which were rational and informative correcting the erroneous statistics Jan had quoted. She didn't take to criticism very well. She deleted our comments and retaliated by visiting our very own Violet Leaves' video and mocking her. Tsk, tsk, we can't have that now. We won't have that. Anyone who doesn't immediately understand why should pay a visit to Violet's blog sometime. Read what this woman has to say. Violet is a hero and she's speaking for all those unable to speak for themselves. I admire her strength, determination, and very clear understanding of the issues. She deserves our utmost respect.

Phase 2 of the Jan fiasco was when we wrote about her viewpoints. We wrote about her signing that petition. Jan thumbed her nose at the rule that said she couldn't sign it.

Jan signed it anyway.

Not once but twice.



We talked about the fact that Jan herself was a registered sex offender, not from finding it on a registry but from Jan's own testimony before the Arizona state legislature. We gave the link for reference. It's readily available public information. But in Jan's view this was illegal. Yep she even said so. Within hours of this post we entered Phase 3 with this message through YouTube


And this one
And this one
You see, Jan believed I was someone named Carolyn. And when I told her I wasn't Carolyn, using all her powers of logic and reason she concluded that "it proved I admitted it" ~Sigh~

She then proceeds to add a page to her website about Carolyn, adding her full name, home address, telephone number and the statements that Carolyn is guilty of "conspiring to commit blackmail, harassment, intimidation, encouraging others to commit cyber stalking, physical harm and murder" She put out her own APB warning and states that Carolyn "persistently downloads child pornography and uses photographs of children to entice men" Well, let's just take a look at it shall we?

No, she didn't block out the identifying information, I did.

You see, Carolyn is not an Anti. Carolyn is not a member of AZ. Carolyn has never been involved with this. She was a random person in the crowd that Jan hit in her frenzy to get revenge.

Carolyn had Jan's entire website shut down. Twice.

Jan responded with an image of an assault rifle and claims that we were endangering her life. For the life of me I've never figured out how blogging about how stupid she is endangers her life. But, you know Jan when she gets something in that head of hers.

Here we enter Phase 4

It began with comments on AZ. Posted from Jan's own IP address.

You see, Jan "in her haste to look like an idiot" found someone on MySpace named Esther. Esther used a nickname the same as someone who commented on AZ. Once again, she hit a person in the crowd. She didn't get the reaction she expected so she came back again always linking us to the things she'd created.
Well, let's just take a look at that, shall we?


"WE ARE URGING ALL READERS AND SUPPORTERS TO CLICK ON THE IMAGE BELOW AND FOLLOW THE DIRECTIONS LISTED"

Now let's see where that link takes us.








Ah, yes. Of course.

"She has links on her own MySpace page to erotic homosexual child pornography images!"

"Esther is a very sick woman. I urge everyone to report her to their local FBI field Office"

"EVEN IF "ESTHER" DELETES HER MYSPACE PROFILE AND YOU ARE UNABLE TO VIEW IT, REPORT HER ANYWAY"

Interesting not only because we don't know this poor woman who fell into Jan's grasp, but also because we turned her MySpace upside down. She's just a woman who blogs occasionally. Seems to have a lot of friends including her favorite radio station, a PETA activist, and a gay nephew (adult) who had some gay (adult) erotica on his own page. Once again, Jan doesn't know the difference between a child and an adult. Neither apparently does Shirley Lowery. You see, this is one of the things we do. It's one of the things all of you should do. If anyone sees child pornography you shouldn't be twiddling your thumbs, you should be making a report to CyberTipLine ASAP. Shirley has an agenda and a motive however

Phase 5 begins. Shoot-into-the-crowd-Jan intensifies her efforts. Not only does she make this blog


"Petra Lunatic is currently under investigation in Arizona for her continual online harassment, threats, and defamation against a wife and mother of four. Inciting violence against an innocent woman and her children."

And this because Petra wrote about the Fluff 'n Stuff story on her MySpace.




Oh but it gets better. Why, we've hardly begun.



On the one hand it seems that what we have here is a failure to communicate, but that's hardly the case. The day after she left us the "Absolutely Busted" message she called Susan, the web designer we hired to design our blog template. She accused her of owning this blog. When she was informed that wasn't the case that she'd never had anything to do with it well, Jan Kruska, true to form as ever, threatened Susan with legal action if she didn't reveal the names of her customers, she threatened to hold her responsible for what her customers did. Oh yeah. And sure enough she did. Lookie here


"If you have been wrongfully attacked, cyberstalked and terrorized by this woman and/or her friends on Absolute Zero, give her a call and let her know what's on your mind!"

"Porn Producers"

"Susan is the creator of Absolute Zero United!"

"This information has been verified and a link will soon be added which includes her audiotaped confession"

"Susan is very worried right now and she has good reason to be. She and her pals have broken MULTIPLE laws for which she and her friends can and will now be held criminally and civilly liable. POOR SUSAN!"

"She doesn't want to rat out her "friends" over at Absolute Zero and that's a shame because now she alone will bear the brunt of what they are all collectively responsible for"

"What goes around comes around"

"THEY, (meaning those you and your friends have targeted whether rightly or wrongly) now know who YOU are and WHERE YOU LIVE. How does it feel?"

Interesting that just last night Jan AKA azrockhoundz left this comment on YouTube

Either someone told her, or she realized herself that she had messed up big time. So she quickly deleted her own comment and in order to not lose her momentum and all she continued on:


Well now, I do believe she's given the word GRACEFUL a whole new meaning. Especially when you consider what Jan and her friend Erika otherwise known as "He-ain't-heavy-She's-my-Brother" had in store for our own Chris Brocious.

When we look back at the websites once belonging to Erika the Mouse, one of which she was selling his body by PAYPAL ONLY, the other was filled with floating animated pentagrams and Satanic music



Does it leave any doubt who was responsible for the page made to libel Chris?

Never mind the emails I received letting me know this page was coming. Never mind the doctored images of my friends she sent me. Or the

"Your worst nightmare is coming true"

or the

"I'm coming for you soon"

emails. Never mind the blog she made mocking the death of Chris Barrios and signing my name to it. Never mind Margie Slagle mocking me or telling Carolyn that she didn't care what Jan did to her because "Jan is hurting more" Never mind Tom Madison dismissing her actions as "a child's game" or Shirley Lowery aiding and abetting.

I want you to look

Look at what this woman has done and ask yourself how she DARES to show her face on YouTube crying VICTIM!

Ask yourself how she DARES to make this statement....just yesterday as a matter of fact

I am a Christian first and foremost. I believe in forgiveness and I believe that there are much better ways of dealing with these issues other than what is currently occurring

Or how Linda Wagner dares to show up on YouTube spouting off insanities

"Sue them all Amanda! Take them to court!"

"If they use your status as a RSO to intimadate you in any way, That is illegal under the law of your state. Also, being a christian, you probably can sue on those grounds because they are interfering with your right to pratice your faith"

Or what about the comment Jan Kruska wrote on that blog she made to try to harass Susan? Oh dear, what was it again?

Better get that Bible of yours out and read it again, I think you missed the whole point of what it was all about. You're a Christian? I don't think so. Can you honestly say that what you're doing is something that Jesus would do? I think not.

The Margie Slagle's, the Shirley Lowery's, the Tom Madison's and Linda Wagner's continue to enable this deranged, sociopathic, criminal. If they truly were her friends they would help her get psychiatric help. She's no longer going over the deep end you guys. She's over the edge.

Mocking, Bashing and Blaming

Amazing as it may seem I was recently asked the question "How do you talk to victims of sexual abuse?"

The person who asked was an attorney and activist for sex offenders. In fact, it was none other than Margie Slagle of the Ohio Justice and Policy Center.....a sort of mini ACLU.

Now we all know that Margie is ignorant about the real facts regarding sex offenders, and we all know that she has aligned herself with people who are clearly dangerous propagandists and liars. Jan Kruska, for example, who believes that the sex offender registry should be abolished along with long prison sentences, life sentences, the death penalty, civil commitments AND age of consent laws. Or, Tom Madison of SoClear Media Productions whose chief operating officer Jackie Sparling said

"The sex offender laws affect ALL sex offenders. We all know that. Therefore whether you or your loved one was charged with CP, got caught in a Romeo/Juliet type situation, or was charged with sexual assault/rape doesn't even come into play with our organization"

So, we've established the mindset. What we haven't talked about is the numerous emails Margie has sent me. From her first contact in which she lied about her purpose for reading AZ, to her accusations that I didn't know how to spell pedophile, to her attempts at intimidation and manipulation, and even blaming me because she didn't know how to navigate this blog, her attempts to harass sex abuse victims and undermine their meeting in regards to victim issues all the way to her blatant mockery of someone she believed to be a victim of child sexual abuse, point clearly to what she in fact really is. Evil.

You see, Margie told me that I didn't "walk in the path of the Lord" to which I responded:

"What would the path of the Lord entail? Telling people to put liquid latex on their face to try and deceive authorities? Registering thousands of fake email accounts to over burden the system, waste tax payer dollars and keep people from being able to do their jobs......as part of a 'fun and games' thumb your nose at society sort of thing perhaps? Maybe it's ignoring the fact that there are thousands upon thousands of young children brutalized every year, for which they carry the scars forever only to have a nitwit say 'oh but there are worse things in life, let's think about the offender's rights' Take your condescending crap elsewhere you wouldn't know 'path of the Lord' if he jumped off the trail and said BOO."

That's when she pulled out the big guns. Yeah Baby. The old victim mockery trick.

"The path of the Lord is not contained in any of your ramblings. Obviously someone hurt you, and tragically it seems that your own mother allowed someone to hurt you. Perhaps it was someone she brought into your life or maybe she simply ignored other signs and failed to protect you. Perhaps she was so neglectful that you were forced into the state system."

Personally I think it appears that Margie has dyslexia or some other learning disability. Perhaps she simply has a low IQ and was ignored in school and her mother failed to teach her. But obviously her own mother dropped her on her head then tragically failed to seek treatment for her.

Now, six months later, she's claiming that wasn't mockery, oh NOooo, that was genuine concern!! NOW she tells me that she's ignorant about such things and says "I am not sure how to speak to a victim of sexual assault" And since the answer is so simple, so elementary, we'll save that for last and instead talk about things you DON'T say.

Jan Kruska:

"While sexual abuse is despicable there are indeed things that are much worse in life. Most children do not die or become permanently disfigured as a result."

Shirley Lowery:

"Parents are passing their warped views on to their children. Children are taught that anything inappropriate that happens to them is the fault of someone else."

Zman aka Michael Gregg:

"Why can't we let the police do their job, and let PJ geeks get real jobs? They could be protecting the country with their hacking skills or something, yet they want to go after defenseless child predators instead of OSAMA, terrorists or other hackers!"

CoolRich:

"If a victim does not go on with their lives, they are lost forever. If they allow hatred to control their lives, then they are, at best, no better than the one who perpetrated a crime against them."

Derek Logue:

I've noticed they're REALLY proficient at playing the victim role.

pedo-ken:

"I send a clear message to these stupid assclowns: It ain't the awful memories or humiliation that fucked you up; it's pure lack of self-support. You ain't dead, you ain't a paraplegic, and you're still alive"

turtle:

"there is ALOT more wrong with our nation than just child molesters. when ones life ends up shity(mostly due to neglect and poor decision making skills)its always easier to find a scapegoat than it is to take responsibility for your own fuckups."

Nickless:

"Who knows for sure whether Couey did or did not do that poor little girl a favor?"

Gerber:

"I had a pic at one time ,wish i still had it, its called the Adam Walsh Bear,its a pic of Adam with a baseball suit and bat and his head is on a spring,kind of like a bobble head doll and at the bottom of the pic it says,,Includes spring loaded head.Search party not included."

The question Margie asked was stupid. The answer is simple: You speak to them the same way you do anyone else.