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Bitter Issues

Sosen is finally admitting they were affiliating with Nambla and yet they still can't even name them. Why is that? Is it because this is merely a desperate attempt to change their bad reputation and they know they must say SOMETHING but can't bring themselves to say that the RSOL - Reform Sex Offender Laws Campaign is the modern Nambla and WARN other sex offenders who may be taken in by them?

They seem to have a policy regarding covering up criminal activity and child endangerment. But we'll get to that in a moment.

First, someone - to use the famous words of Mary Duval - finally "educated their ignorance" as to the difference between age-of-consent laws and Romeo and Juliet laws, however when they say "We also oppose the prosecution of juvenile offenders as adults and their placement on the sex offender registry" and group that statement in with their explanation of their position on age of consent and Romeo crimes, I have to ask - is this ALL juvenile offenders or only those who had "consensual" sex with their similar aged girlfriends? Does it include people like David P. Hoffman who molested 46 boys ages 2 to 16, and 10 girls ages 4 to 16 from the time Hoffman was 10 to 18 years old? Does it include people like Anthony Cantu who molested a 7 year old boy when he was 15, treated as a juvenile he went on to molest a 3 year old boy when he was 17. STILL treated as a juvenile he couldn't be held could he? And now at the age of 21 there's a store security video of him trying to lead a 4 year old child out of a store. Does it include the original sex offender activist Joseph Duncan whose first recorded sex crime occurred when he was 15 years old? In that incident he raped a 9-year-old boy at gunpoint. He was sentenced as a juvenile and sent to Dyslin's Boys' ranch in Tacoma, where he told a therapist who was assigned to his case that he had bound and sexually assaulted six boys. He also told the therapist that he estimated that he had raped 13 younger boys by the time he was 16. But of course he had been tried as a juvenile so....there you have it.

Then we have this statement:

We are well aware that over 90% of the time sexual abuse occurs in the home in the form of intrafamilial sexual relationships.

This is absolutely a false and dangerously misleading statement. The pedo groups themselves tell us how they find their victims:

• My neighbor's kid
• My co-worker's kid
• My friend's kid
• My kid's friend
  

Etc.

Very few sex crimes against children are committed by strangers, of the remaining it is almost evenly divided between family and acquaintances. They have taken the statement than 90% of victims know their offender and extrapolated it on out into a blatant LIE. Furthermore the sexual exploitation of children is NOT "sexual relationships". It is abuse. There is an offender and there is a victim. So when they say:

We must educate the parents or those responsible for their care as to the real dangers.

I have to ask the question: Is this how they propose to "educate"? I won't even go into their recidivism tactics. Like Tom Madison said "It's Pillar Number One". They are very aware that the DOJ report they rely on does not give an accurate reflection. They are very aware that sexual recidivism is higher 3.5%. This is just another example of minimization on their part. They cannot be upfront and honest or their "Pillar Number One" would crumble. Their mission is based on lies and misinformation. When they can step up and admit that there are sex offenders who are dangerous, who need to be monitored, who should never be allowed out of prison, that parents deserve to have the knowledge that someone they know has molested children in order to make an informed decision about affiliating with that person - and when they recognize the devastating effect of sexual abuse, then and only then can they in any way be considered legitimate.

Now - it's what comes next that's the real problem:

We must find a balance by which the psychiatric community has a degree of freedom in deciding to bring law enforcement into a matter.

They are trying to (among other things) rename child molesters. Now they are simply "people who need help".

Would you prefer that a child continues to be abused because a person desiring help is too fearful of prosecution to ask for such help?

They don't ask for help. They don't WANT help. Here's the part they don't understand:

THEY LIKE IT.

They say they need help after they've been caught. I actually saw some weirdo in Prison Talk claiming to be a therapist and saying that according to mandatory reporting laws if the client didn't tell her the victims name then she didn't have to report them. I don't think I need to explain to you why that's incorrect. Furthermore The Association for the Treatment of Sexual Abusers - ATSA has made it clear, Therapists are not investigators. That is not their role nor should they attempt to function as such. It is not up to them to decide who should or should not be prosecuted. Who are they accountable to?

What I would like to know is why Sosen believes that people who commit crimes against children should not be punished. I would like to know why they think the victim shouldn't be recognized and be able to get the help that THEY need as well. Why do child victims not deserve justice?

Now, let's think about this carefully. Sosen, Fred Berlin, Stop It Now! and people like them say that if we abolish mandatory reporting laws people will come forward and "get help" so they don't HAVE to rape babies any more. They also say that if victims know their offender won't be punished that THEY will come forward as well. Now how in the world would something like that work you might ask? Well if their theory was correct you'd have to have broad education wouldn't you? Wouldn't people have to KNOW that they wouldn't be prosecuted? Would it be sort of like giving free reign to child molesters? Would it sound something like this?

Are you molesting your daughter? Are you a Boy Scout leader molesting little boys? Are you preying on your children's friends when they come for sleepovers? Never fear, you can tell us and you will NOT be prosecuted!

I imagine the campaign to "educate" would look something like this:

Children are NOT going to tell if they know the person raping them - the person in AUTHORITY over them is going to be allowed to stay in their home with them. They don't feel safe to begin with! They have been abused by someone they should be able to trust! They have been manipulated, threatened and deceived. They are CHILDREN. They are not adults in little bodies.

And again:

We must find a balance by which the psychiatric community has a degree of freedom in deciding to bring law enforcement into a matter.

Would that be someone like the guy whose letter was posted on RSOL?

Letter to the Editor of the RSOL Digest (March 2009)

I want to commend Kelly Piercy for pointing out the importance of words and expressing oneself clearly.

I must however take issue with some points in the discussion of
pedophilia.

Piercy also makes good points in distinguishing clinical pedophilia,
i.e, the sexual attraction to prepubescent children, from violent
predatory non-consensual sexual activity, and advocating for treatment. He then undoes a lot of that good by placing in the middle of his essay
"Pedophile = active dangerous person."
Someone who just skims the article is going to remember that. I think you could see what I mean if I were to write, apart from everything else:
¨Sex offender (registrant) = violent dangerous predator.¨
While a small few are dangerous, we all know that the great majority are not.

Furthermore, Piercy neglects to give the origin of the word "pedophilia" which comes from the Greek "paidos" = "love" and "philia" = "children," just about the farthest thing form an "active dangerous person" there can be.

If some are uncomfortable getting into the "age of consent" debate, take heart from Piercy's point about dialog. The reasons they are a bad idea can be explained to anyone willing to listen with an open mind, but more importantly, as Piercy points out, we just need to keep talking to each other, especially when we disagree.

Dr. Rick DeMasi

That's the Dr. DeMasi - in case you're wondering - who was a child psychiatrist and confessed to HIS psychiatrist

Dr. DeMasi was precise about his desires. He was a pedophile, he told Dr. Ingram, and made no apologies for it.

Dr. Ingram told no one. Dr. DeMasi went on to molest his own 10 year old patient and Dr. Ingram? Well, he got sued. And lost.

At that point, Dr. Ingram said, he stopped psychoanalyzing Dr. DeMasi -- and Dr. DeMasi ceased to be in psychoanalytic training -- because psychoanalysis and unrepentant pedophilia are incompatible. Dr. Ingram said that by mutual agreement, their sessions continued only as generalized therapy, and his goal was to challenge Dr. DeMasi's thinking, manage his stress and thus try to make sure he did not act on his desires.

But Dr. DeMasi continued to defend them, presenting Dr. Ingram with a dubious study that children were not badly hurt by sex with adults and with historical anecdotes about sex between men and boys in ancient Greece. Dr. Ingram seemed to consider this progress.

''I was pleased to see that he gradually became interested in research into the area of adults loving children from an academic perspective, that is, he was beginning to explore the literature of pedophilia in order to bolster his arguments with me, and, in so doing, was engaged in a legitimate academic pursuit,'' Dr. Ingram said in his deposition.

"adults loving children"???? I hate to break it to him but that's not "love". It's true "hate crimes".

Dr. DeMasi was stripped of his medical license, served five years in prison and was released in 1992. His history since then seems to illustrate the deeply ingrained nature of pedophilia, which many experts describe as a sexual orientation.

In 1994, as Dr. DeMasi fought a return to prison for violating his probation, The Daily News received complaints from residents in Bayside, Queens, that Dr. DeMasi was cruising the neighborhood in a van and introducing himself to boys as a child psychiatrist. The newspaper reported that Dr. DeMasi told acquaintances that he planned to go to another country, perhaps Thailand, that was less actively hostile to sex between adults and children. In August 1994, he disappeared.

Law enforcement officials located him in Mexico in 1995 and extradited him to Connecticut, where he completed his sentence and was released from prison, without any probation conditions, on April 3.

John R. Williams, one of Dr. DeMasi's former lawyers, said he no longer knows where Dr. DeMasi is, but hinted that Dr. DeMasi might leave the country again.

Yes, he did indeed leave the country. I know where he is if anyone needs him. In fact, now he's carrying out his garbage online - still saying the same things he said over 20 years ago.

But what about his then 10 year old victim?

He resists therapy because he cannot overcome his suspicion of doctors. In fact, distrust colors many of his interactions.

''For you people,'' he said, ''this is just another day at work. For me, it's another day in hell.''

The ultimate betrayals. A parent who abuses or fails to act on knowledge of abuse, pedophile priests and pedophile doctors - including doctors who fail to act on knowledge of abuse: ie Fred Berlin. Oh but we should grant the psychiatric community the ability to decide for themselves shouldn't we?

Sosen says:

NAMBLA members have also turned up in other legitimate SOL reform groups which causes confusion and outright disgust to many in the public forum.

But the truth is that Nambla CREATED one of the biggest sex offender groups there is on the internet. The RSOL. Say it. Just say it.

Sosen says:

Many groups spend all of their time focusing on former offenders, people who have admittedly made wrong decisions and broken laws.

I don't know what "group" that would be, we don't focus on offenders past crimes, we focus on offenders and enablers who are endangering children with pedospeak.

It is evident that the quest NAMBLA champions is one far removed from that of SOSEN.

That's not evident at all. What IS evident is that everything Tikibug - the COO - has said has been repetitious recitations of pedophile propaganda. You can't take bullshit and put frosting on it and make people believe it's cake. Well you can try, but you'll never even get someone to nibble on it when the smell knocks them down from 2500 feet away.

HT Jacey

Dissident, The Eternal Fool

This guy just never gives up. He just CAN NOT see that, well, kids don't want to have sex with him. He tries and tries to want to have youth groups to point to, the ones who say, YES YES CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SEX WITH UGLY OLD FAT MEN PLEASE!

Thing is, that ain't happnin. But not too many of these guys can accept this. One day, in a Kingdom, far, far away, there will be a place where young children will want to have sex with ugly old men and women! Imagine! Mushrooms and ferns and sunlight through the trees! It'll be MAGICAL, it'll be AWESOME, and we JUST. CAN'.T WAIT.

lol.

So. Here's Dissident again. I figured, since he was so polite as to reply to us, I figured we'd reply to him(well, we as in i lol).

First of all, if this is so hard for you to decipher, well, I just don't know what to say:

"all those with the need to hate something"

Something. Some ephemeral something that we just hate out loud and just blame it on you. So sad. It couldn't POSSIBLY be because we were fucked in the head by people JUST LIKE YOU. No way. Anyway.


"They refuse to acknowledge a difference between sexual activity achieved through force and coercion and that which is mutually desired by two human beings simply because some of those people are beneath a certain age."

No, see, we do. You don't. That's the problem.

"The belief is that giving them a response inadvertantly empowers them and gives them more control over our lives than they deserve."

They are right. You are wrong. However, because you insist that you're right, we win. Good fucking deal.

Because Dissident is so long winded, and because I choose to sleep, because, we'll get him soon, I'll cut this short. Please feel free to take other parts of his "infinite wisdom" apart.

"My response to AZ's backlash re: B4U-Act
Posted by Dissident on Friday, November 13 2009 at 01:29:57am
As we all expected, the last successful workshop of B4U-Act that I attended and wrote a review about on GC has resulted in a predictable and thoroughly amusing backlash from AZ, who can't stand the fact that MAA's are refusing to remain the punching bag of all those with the need to hate something, and who currently rationalize their outlet for hatred under the guise of "protecting children." The idea that we will one day live in a world where MAA's and youth sexuality are no longer hated and feared, and where the right to sexual expression isn't limited to those aged 18 or over, and where the words "abuse" and "rape" aren't distorted beyond all meaning by those who believe that only people above a certain Magic Age should be allowed to express their sexuality is abohrrent to the mindset of the modern anti. They refuse to acknowledge a difference between sexual activity achieved through force and coercion and that which is mutually desired by two human beings simply because some of those people are beneath a certain age. They insist on believing that an adult having a mere stray thought of someone under 18 being sexy and attractive is an act of pure evil that needs to be contained and denied any form of expression (and if you think I am exaggerating here, just wait until you check out some of Stiches' comments down below). I think the person from VoA who e-mailed me these quotes so that I wouldn't have to visit that website and become ill.

Okay, I am aware that some people here believe that the best type of response to the ignorant, hate-filled nonsense regularly spewed by the likes of AZ is NO RESPONSE. The belief is that giving them a response inadvertantly empowers them and gives them more control over our lives than they deserve. But I think the fact that MHP's are currently reaching out to us, recognizing our humanity, and realizing that adult attraction to those we today label minors is not some horrifically repulsive abnormality but something that deserves objective study regardless of how badly groups like AZ attempt to demonize them for doing so is a sign of progess. Those like AZ who want society to remain forever in the Dark Ages concerning youth sexuality and to continuously believe that every adult who is attracted to minors is an abominable monster who needs to be put either in jail or in an asylum for "treatment" (depending on which way the political pendulum happens to swing at any given time) is slowly but surely overreaching themselves with their attacks on free speech and on anyone who doesn't hold a viewpoint towards us and youth sexuality similar to their own. As a result of listening to some of the people in the community who believe we should give NO response to AZ over what they say about us, I avoided composing a response to them in regards to their recent maltreatment of Poisontears. However, THIS time it's a bit more personal. I think sometimes it's useful and even necessary to respond to the antis, NOT because I think that they have more power than they actually do, but because I think clearing up the record and letting the public hear our side of the story is VERY important. So this time I decided to give a response. In fact, the great success of the past few workshops of B4U-Act and the fact that more of us in the MAA community are starting to show their faces in public and the fact that more MHP's are starting to recognize our humanity and refusing to judge us as human beings simply due to our attraction base is a sign that the likes of PJ and AZ are starting to LOSE power and influence. Progress cannot be stifled, and it's been a rule of history that all minority groups eventually achieve acceptance, understanding, and emancipation despite the large number of people in society who are against change. AZ knows this at some level, and this greatly angers them. Their attempts to boycott every single company that may publish a "pro-pedophile" book or view (i.e., makes statements that do not totally demonize us or see us as something less than human or possibly even a non-politically correct view of youth sexuality) has proven mostly unsuccessful, which makes it clear that their attempts to combat the First Ammendment when it comes to those expressing views that they find offensive is also doomed to failure in the end. Pedophiles and hebephiles will NOT be legislated out of existence, no amount of demands on making an exception to the First Ammendment to censor every non-negative view ever expressed about our attraction base and/or youth sexuality will ultimately prove successful, and no attempts to ban or delegitimize art for daring to feature something as "obscene" as a nude child or teen will continue to be acceptable. A brighter and more free future for everyone is at hand, and this is something that the supporters of the current Dark Age of understanding regarding youth sexuality and adult attraction to minors sense and are growing increasingly fearful of. They live in mortal fear and anxiety over a future society where their current warped definitions of "abuse" and "rape" are no longer defined as such, and where young people are allowed to be sexual beings and adults are allowed to recognize them as such without being considered "sick" or pathological.

Now, onto my response to Stiches' comments regarding the most recent B4U-Act workshop:

1. There were no cops there yay!

Is Stiches hereby implying that there should have been cops present at a mere public discussion about pedophilia and hebephilia simply because the non-MAA's there were present to try and understand us rather than demonize us? The First Ammendment really sucks, doesn't it, Stiches? It's not enough that MAA's (and other curious folk) are currently arrested simply for looking at pictures of naked young people...you want the cops involved even for the mere discussion of the subject. Maybe that is one of the reason the antis are becoming less popular and less able to stifle progress and understanding these days...their desire for the police state mentality in controlling thought and discussion is proving to be incompatible with a society that purports to be based on principles of democracy.

2. There is a good reason not to trust counselors, if you are a pedophile. I mean, yeah, considering that they are compelled to report child abuse. The pedophiles all agree about this.

Um, the mistrust that many MAA's have towards counselors goes WELL beyond this, and if you read our posts less selectively you would understand that. What many of us are afraid of in regards to mentioning our attraction base to MHP's we may be seeing is based on our fear of being demonized by them and seen as something less than human, or for them reporting us to the police even if we are NOT involved in any illegal activity simply due to the popular prejudices against us and the constant assumption that we are inevitably going to "abuse" a minor. No one at the workshop ever suggested that the MHP's shouldn't report illegal activity, but the meeting was simply a call for MHP's who are more sensitive to the needs of MAA's who are having a difficult time living in this society due to all the hatred against us, the problems we may have with keeping a job or being on good terms with our families, having to deal with the constant stream of lies emanating from the mouths of the antis in the media telling us that we are incapable of being anything other than a bunch of child molesting monsters who ruin the lives of other people, etc. And you think it's WRONG for some MHP's to simply see us as human beings who are capable of being productive members of society? The truth is, MANY MAA's are productive members of society and live an entirely law-abiding existence despite having more and more expressions of our attraction base being criminalized by the government every single year. I'm sorry that these particular MHP's who desire understanding over hatred, knowledge over misconceptions, and who put science before popular politics are not to your liking, but a backlash like this is the case whenever those who live on mindless hatred see the objects of their scorn treated as human beings. The depictions of the Japanese people during World War 2 comes to mind here (if AZ existed back then, in the days before the term "pedophile" became widely known, I'm sure you would have spent all your free time demonizing anyone who dared suggest that any Japanese citizen of the U.S. should be released from those detention centers; the temptation to see the "enemy" as something less than human is quite strong, as all of the antis prove).

3. Still, the pedos want to talk to them in order to further their agenda, but they can't present their FULL agenda. Yet. Maybe later, maybe soon. Depends on how cooperative the MHPs are, of course.

Every minority group has to work towards their rights in steps. When the black community were finally freed from chattel slavery, they knew it would be a while before society was ready to accept them taking professional positions such as doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc. There is nothing "abnormal" about any minority group seeking full emancipation and acceptance, and if you ever bothered to study the civil rights movements of various groups in the past you would see astounding parallels between the situations of these past groups and the MAA's and youth of today. Of course, the antis deny and claim to be offended by any such comparison between other minority groups and what they went through in the past and that of MAA's and the youth community today, but the statements you make against us now are remarkably similar to those made against other minority groups in the past. And your utter refusal to accept the fact that young people under the Magic Age can possibly have a sexual side to their nature is remarkably similar to what society used to believe about women in the days prior to their suffrage.

3. Some people are able to be in the same room with pedos and not hurt them yay!

And this is a bad thing? Once again, the antis seem to display extreme opposition towards seeing MAA's as anything other than a group of demonic beings in human form who would deserve any degree of violence that might be directed against them simply for discussing their issues in public. Damn those MHP's for being understanding and civilized instead of initiating hatred and violent acts against us!

4. Counselors are ill-equipped to deal with pedophile activists. Well, yeah.

Implying that anyone who dares to sympathize with our plight in society and who seeks real knowledge rather than the constant spewing of hatred and misinformation against is a bad thing??!! It was inevitable that counselors and other people in society eventually began seeing us as a distinct minority group rather than a group of evil monsters.

5. There is hope for the future (if you want to rape children)

I am not even going to get into it again regarding your warped and utterly retarded definition of the word "rape." No MAA that I have EVER known has supported the use of force or coercion to achieve sexual activity with a younger person, and THAT is what the TRUE definition of "rape" is. None of the MHP's we were talking to even discussed lowering or abolishing the age of consent; we were simply discussing treating MAA's like human beings and offering counseling services for those of us who need to talk to someone regarding the difficulties of living as an MAA in this society. Of course, the antis see sinister implications in absolutely everything that we do, and even the mere attempt by us to be seen as human beings disturbs them. That is what bothers the antis the most about these workshops...the knowledge that not EVERY single non-MAA out there sees us as horrific monsters.


6. Smurf dancer spoke, talking about how, because he is a sex offender, he can't teach pretty little girls to dance. All the pedos frowned about that. Apparently the counselors in this meeting frowned as well.

I see your point. So the mere fact that Paul (you can't even show him the dignity of calling him by his real name) has this attraction base and dared to look at pics of little girls automatically means that he is inherently psychotic and will inevitably rape or molest any girls he happens to be teaching. And you WONDER why we oppose such warped and vicious logic?

7. More hope!

Sorry that this disturbs you, but progress for ALL minority groups has always been the law of history.

8. Dissident spent the night with Sproutinghalo. Ang got to know him very well. -wink-

Hmmm...was this perhaps a display of homophobia by Stiches? Nahhhh...

9. Eggs could be thrown at the counselors who attended the conference AS WELL AS the pedos. Especially the ones who think pedoness is perfectly okay and that children should be hurt as often as the MAAs want.

Never mind the fact that this was NOT what the workshop was about. I guess, as usual, the antis see only what they want to see and make assumptions way out of context regarding any post they see from us. And, of course, you clearly express your fears that one day the terms "harm" and "rape" and "molestation" will NOT be used in such a warped form in the future as they are today and that one day society will accept youth sexuality as much as it currently does for adults (and you can continue to deny the sexual nature of youths as much as you want, because an increasing number of young people are being arrested and put on the sex offender registry for any display of sexual behavior, including that between peers of the same age, and young teen girls are arrested and put on the sex offender registry for sending pics of themselves in their underwear over their cell phones; NOW do you see why the antis are the ones in denial rather than the MAA community?? Heaven forbid should anyone strive to stop this nonsense). And I should mention that ALL the MHP's present were VERY concerned about kids being harmed.

10. Some of the counselors thought it was fascinating.

Heaven forbid that someone should find a man my age being attracted to young teen girls as ANYTHING other than repulsive, horrifying, or pathological. We need to control such thoughts!

11. Dissident has never seen any evidence of child sexual abuse from his pedophile peers. (HHAHAHAHAHAHA!)

I would NEVER associate with anyone who would use force or coercion to gain sexual favors from people of ANY age, and I actively discourage illegal sexual behavior from all of my peers. Sorry, Stiches, but it is possible for MAA's to live inside the law regardless of their opinions of the law. And I'm also sorry to say this, but striving for change within the system is LEGAL.

12. He told these counselors this.

Um...duh!

13. They believed him. (HAHAHAHHAHA)

Considering my real life friends have known me for YEARS and YEARS and are well aware of the fact that I DO NOT engage in illegal sexual behavior, and that MAA's are fully capable of living within the law, it shouldn't surprise you that trained counselors can actually see us as something more than a group of deceptive liars. Heaven forbid!

14. They ate food together. And agreed that Oprah is EVIL.

Yup, having lunch together makes it clear that there are people capable of sitting down and breaking bread with us and seeing us as human beings. Heaven forbid! And considering the constant stream of lies that Oprah routinely spreads about us, including the glaring example I provided in my post about that alleged instruction manual for raping kids, is it any wonder that I suggest that maybe MHP's should get to know REAL MAA's and judge them on their own merits rather than listening to everything the antis say about us?

15. The pedos perved over an underaged looking food server.

Omg...heaven forbid that I should look at and admire the beauty of a young woman who was about 19-21 years of age. And heaven forbid could this woman pass for someone under the Magic Age! At my age, I should only be looking at and admiring and fantasizing about women in their 30's and 40's, right? That's all nice and "proper" according to a society with ageist prejudices and anxieties, right? I hate to break this to you, Stiches, and I'm sorry if this offends you considering your age, but many men (and women) find young women to be physically attractive. The fact that you try to demonize and even criminalize such thoughts when they are perfectly normal and natural, and have been so throughout human history, is just plain ridiculous. And you wonder why less and less people are taking you and your crew seriously? I dared to find a young woman attractive so now I'm a "perv." Nice. And btw, I was the one who pointed out to others that this young woman serving us was beautiful, there wasn't a huge "perv" session over her. And I am NOT ashamed of myself for finding young women beautiful, and you are NOT going to make me feel guilty over perfectly natural thoughts (even if said thoughts offend middle-aged women; need I remind you that there are MANY men who are attracted to middle-aged women, including many younger men, so this type of attitude is very much without merit).

16. Dissident hugged some psych major chick and it probably grossed her out. Big Time.

First of all, she wasn't a young psych major; she was a professional MHP who was in the business for a very long time and was much older than me. Oh yes, the "filthy pedophile" hugged a much older woman and (heaven forbid!) this person actually hugged me back and thought of me as a warm human being who actually had some good qualities to his character and was proud to meet me and spend several hours talking to me. And to think she could have such a warm reaction to a man who is attracted to teen girls! Ugh, the very thought of it! Let's throw eggs at her for that! She hugged a "filthy pedophile"!! She saw his humanity! Curse her in hell for that!!

17. Party party party, go to more of these if you are a pedo or a mental health professional who thinks, hey, Pedophilia is Alright By Me!

Change is also one of the rules of history, Stiches. Sorry that you can't deal with that.

I hope I didn't make this post too long, boring, or near-unreadable for you, Stiches. And I'm sorry that my refusal to be seen by society as nothing more than a child-molesting monster offends you. "


Clearly proof that he needs to be locked up. See you in the morning.

Necrophilia Obsessed Borderline Sociopath

We previously talked about Jennifer aka Jack Kaiser aka Lyrical Cancer here

I do admit to having some serious issues with this person. First it was his defense of Jizzony and his incessant harassment of me on YouTube that first set me off. Then he stole all the videos of him that I had worked so hard to steal - by claiming copyright to his child luring videos. Ballsy! But mainly it was just about his pedophilia and attempts to gain access to children.

When he was confronted about his pedo-activities he denied being pedo, can you believe that? I've always wondered why they defend their perversions so fiercely in pedo-places and deny it so strongly in others. Especially when we consider that Jack tried desperately to get attention while describing himself as "borderline sociopath" with an "obsession with necro" - frankly I expected a little more gratitude.

When Jack was arrested recently while trying to enroll in a school as a 15 year old boy I couldn't help but be reminded of Neil Havens Rodreick II - a 30 year old convicted sex offender who enrolled in an Arizona school as a 12 year old and was assisted by family members who pretended to be his father, uncle and grandfather.

There are people who are trying to make this into a "transgender" issue due to the fact that Jack was born female. But the truth of the matter is that Jack has been trying to pass himself off as a young boy for years while running pedophile websites and grooming children. Jack didn't pretend to be a kid in order to "get an education" as some have proposed. See these video clips to see Jack in action and I think there won't be any question about why Jack was trying to enroll in school as a child. From Wikisposure:

What makes the pedophile “Jack” particularly sinister and disturbing is his continued persistence to lure underage boys into a world of dangerous Sex Offenders, Child Pornographers and Pedophile activists with the ruse of being “Lyrical Cancer” (a 14 year old boy), despite continued warnings he has received from the police.

HT ~**Violet Leaves**~

Rounding up Sex Offenders

URGENT ALERT

We've got another Urgent Call to Safeguard Children from Reform Sex Offender Laws Campaign - better listen up and pay attention.

Act now!

You need to use situations as they occur, anything to make an argument appear more relevant. Yes please everyone, exploit Jaycee Dugard some more - one sex offender wasn't enough for a life time - you need to FLOOD THE INTERNET


So speaks the RSOL, Reform Sex Offender Laws Campaign. Heck they even tell you what to say

This article needs massive response. WE URGE ALL RSOL PARTICIPANTS TO WRITE ALTERNET AT ONCE!

The way we respond is to remove hundreds of thousands from the registry so the few who have been certified as truly dangerous by qualified professionals can be detained and treated until found no longer dangerous. Essentially, this would be to adopt the Canadian system, rather than the U.S. registry which destroys the lives of hundreds of thousands of non-dangerous people and their families, yet protects NO-ONE from real dangers. Alex Marbury and Kelly Piercy.

I'm just not understanding that. They want to round up sex offenders, detain and treat them until they are no longer "truly" dangerous? That just doesn't sound like them at all. Didn't they say

• Abolish all life-time civil commitment for sex offenders
• Abolish all laws that provide life in prison for sex offenders.

They lied!!!!! Now they want to round them up and "detain" them!!

The truth is that they'll say anything they think might convince people that they are something they aren't. They're all living - breathing contradictions. Their claim that the sex offender registry is what allowed Garrido to get by with holding Jaycee captive for 18 years. I'm sure you've heard the mantra

The truly dangerous are hiding in the registry

Of course that's not true. They aren't "hiding" they're right there where we can see them among all the other dangerous people who have created victims. Nor did GPS fail in this situation. The problem was Garrido wasn't wearing it in 1991. If he had been Jaycee would have been rescued immediately. There are over 22,000 registered sex offenders in California who are NOT on the public registry, because they are deemed low risk. There are less than 7,000 offenders in California wearing GPS monitoring. Some dumb ducks have taken that to mean that there are only 7,000 deemed dangerous in California. The truth is California uses GPS on offenders who are on parole. The cost is $6 a day versus $96 a day to keep them in prison. Parole allows an offender to complete his sentence outside of prison. Why would registered sex offenders complain about them having to wear GPS rather than spend their entire sentence in prison, and most of all why would they complain that GPS didn't help rescue Jaycee when he was not wearing it when he abducted her? The answer to all of this is that these people, these blame gaming fools thought they had an opportunity to exploit someone for their own gain. They chose the wrong story, again. And they chose the wrong state.

The mistakes made in this case are obvious: A judge who believed Garrido when he said he only raped because of the influence of drugs, so he gets his sentence reduced so he can gain access to drugs and victims again. Law enforcement who made the mistake of thinking since Garrido was in compliance that meant he was reformed. They took the deviousness and manipulative skills of a rapist for granted.

Sosen states that their goals are to abolish PUBLIC registration for sex offenders, and ALL registration for first time offenders. "All" meaning no law enforcement registration either. Interestingly enough Garrido was a first time offender..... you know the ones that keep offending but have only been caught once? I wonder if they'll rethink their idiotic ramblings? How about this one?

Long mandatory minimum sentences can have a number of negative consequences that serve to decrease, rather than increase, public safety.

I'm sure a lot of people would agree with the Sosenites on that one. Not allowing judges to be influenced and manipulated by rapists is dangerous you know. Long prison sentences make society more dangerous. We're much safer with them out of prison, without any community notification or restrictions.

It's all so simple I don't know why we didn't think of it ourselves.

Take a look at John Couey for example. For some reason Mary wouldn't mind him being on a registry. Of course she says that now - looking back with hindsight. The truth of the matter is, had Couey joined Sosen before he killed Jessica Lunsford Mary would have welcomed him with open arms and fought to get him off the registry just like she fought to get Garrido and the other 700,000 registered sex offenders she claims to represent off the registry.

Mary claims "prevention" is better. And of course monitoring sex offenders isn't prevention. No, Mary has given us very good tips for "prevention", so far her ideas include

• Teach kids to Just Say No to child sexual abuse
• Put labels on cell phones warning people they can be on a registry if they produce child pornography with it

Mary isn't interested in preventing sexual abuse. She's interested in preventing the prosecution of sex offenders.

Who is feeding this mentality? Let's see what pedophile activists have to say:

As already mentioned, there exist a number of well-regarded political movements that we can discreetly influence. Although they do not openly admit it, our influence will be vital to their long-term survival and development. And with power and connections of the kind we have not seen for decades, these groups are offering us a free ride, with minimal concessions in the long-run.

Central to the RSO movement are the families of Registered Sex Offenders, often cited as the unintended victims. However much some may dislike the nuclear family, no one is likely to lose an argument if their point of view serves its integrity.

Richard Kramer - self-identified pedophile and co-founder of B4U-Act, owner of MHAMic, and member of RSOL and BoyChat responds:

The fundamental issue we need to address is the defense of our humanity. We need to confront the stigmatization, demonization, and stereotyping that exists due simply to our attraction to children or adolescents, regardless of our behavior. To do this, we need to be honest about our sexuality. That's why I'm involved with B4U-ACT, and why, unfortunately, the "well-regarded political movements" listed in your editorial won't quite cut it, even though I agree with their goals. For example, the most successful RSO activist group, ReformSexOffenderLaws.org (RSOL), is opposed to the demonization and stereotyping of all groups, including pedophiles.

However, not everybody working for RSOL understands that, and a BL or GL working with RSOL would not be able to be honest about his sexuality.

Perhaps some Denial Therapy is in order

Never Say Everything

Michael Melsheimer:

I have known Fred Berlin for more than 20 years. Do you know that he spoke against the reporting law in the state legislature of Maryland when it was first proposed in the late 80's? This was not a popular thing to do. I was with him when he did this.

Berlin says a lot of things publicly, so do people like ourselves. We never say everything.

shy guy:

NAMBLA was founded in late 1978 following a meeting of a group of gay community activists that had rallied to defend the Boston gay community against a media/legal attack by the local DA.

I should note that among the most influential early members was an anarchist ex-minister with a background of anti-war activism and writing as well as activism on economic justice issues

Michael Melsheimer of B4U-Act is the new breed of pedophile activist which attempts to ride the fence between what is acceptable (help pedophiles not offend) and a group of men who get together just to figure out ways to legalize boy raping. The name of his organization upsets the BoyChatters however. B4U-Act implies that Michael wants to help them NOT rape babies. This is unacceptable to the pedophiles. The truth is that Michael doesn't want to stop them at all. He merely wants to infest society with a bunch of crap. He wants the same thing he's always wanted. He just can't say it. He can't say it to us, he can't say it to the mental health community and he can't even tell the pedo groups that he's on their side. We'd find out if he did. He's sneaky that way.

Michael has found the way to sideswipe society he thinks. He's convinced the Baltimore Mental Health Community that he's something he's not. BoyChat doesn't know what to think of him and the Reform Sex Offender Law Campaign is loving him.

Follow along with some conversations from BoyChat. Some brand spanking new, some a little older. The language never changes but his mission is made clear - Nambla didn't work. We must try something new.

Michael Melsheimer:

B4U-ACT is doing great. I recently spoke with a person that had something to do with the starting of NAMBLA. He thought it looked good.

mvanhouten:

Does Maryland know you show your webpage to old NAMBLA founders for approval?

Does everyone who goes to LifeLine know that your goal for them is to 'eliminate offending?' Or is it your goal? And if it isn't, does Maryland know that too?

Oh what a tangled web we weave....

mvanhouten:

What exactly DID you acomplish? Your website still states your goal as 'eliminating offending'? How much offending do you think you eliminated (with the gracious help of this unnamed NAMBLA founder)?

Michael Melsheimer:

Your website still states your goal as 'eliminating offending'?

It certainly does not.

The term child molester is not in the B4U-ACT lexicon. We do have in our lexicon the term minor attracted person. B4U-ACT wants to work with any minor attracted person that seeks us out.

mvanhouten:

It's right on your site!
Here is a sentence from your report to Baltimore Mental Health Systems (22 June 2007)describing B4U-ACT's purposes:

"The report describes how improved communication would contribute to the prevention of offending, the prevention of harm to minor-attracted adults and adolescents, increased understanding by mental health professionals, and more effective and just policies."

But the question now is: why not just say it here too? Why deny it so adamently here at BoyChat? Because it's a lie you made to BMHS? Or, because you don't wish your potential clients here to know that is your goal?

Michael Melsheimer:

The report was dated 2007. It is part of our history, but the passage that offends you is no longer relevant to our site today. I can't change what is in our history and would be dishonest to try. It would be like BC editing their archives. Our site changed in December 2008 because of the statement you quoted.

Be assured you will find no current reference to prevention of offending. You can take that to the bank.

mvanhouten:

Why don't you post here and now that neither you nor B4U-ACT take a position on the appropriateness or inappropriateness of adult/minor intimacy?

Why not state that it is now NOT the goal of B4U-ACT to 'eliminate offending'?

Michael Melsheimer:

People sometimes say too much and destroy what they really want to do. I have already said a lot and don't want to say anymore.

mvanhouten:

Do you personally believe that any and all adult/minor sexual interaction qualifies as 'offending' and requires elimination?

Why can't you give straight answers to simple questions? It seems almost a pathology with you.

Michael Melsheimer:

People sometimes say too much and destroy what they really want to do. I have already said a lot and don't want to say anymore.

Fame:

There is something called "politics", it a game which MM must play.

As things progress the politics change. Soon the word "offending" won't be used at all in b4uacts rhetoric.

Further, sexual activity with minors is illegal. It is irrelevant (to this discussion) whether it should be legal or not, the bottom line is that it is and b4uact must work within that framework. Neither b4uact nor the psychological community not the BL community at large wishes BLs to commit crimes for which they may go to jail.

You need to understand this.....as well as rhetoric and politics.

Fame:

If MM declared a position on the appropriateness of sexual acts here it may alienate those he works with since he has now taken on an agenda which is not a part of his organization.

mvanhouten:

What state agency would knowingly give someone money if they knew the effort he was putting into Lifeline/BoyChat?

Michael Melsheimer:

It is important for the MAA community to have contacts in organizations like Stop it Now. They have great influence on the legislative process, and we need to know them and they need to know us. Some of the people that work for these organizations are not anti MAA. It serves our community well to find, know, and work with them

mvanhouten:

I am all for advocating people break the law, especially when it comes to mutually agreeable activities.

Michael Melsheimer:

I was on the Sally Jesse Raphael show years ago with a NAMBLA person..... He influenced my life tremendously. NAMBLA made a lot of mistakes, but they supported BL's almost before there was anything else. Tom O' Carroll, PIE fame, is also one of my heroes. His book, Paedophilia - The Radical Case, certainly opened my eyes up to a lot of things, just as my travels to SE Asia did.

mvanhouten:

I ultimatley want to undermine the labels "child" and "adult" so that people will evenutally see a relationship between a 9 and a 29 year old with at least the same lack of concern as a relationship betwen a 39 and a 69 year old.

Michael Melsheimer:

I think that you are right. We do have to go slow and not take on a radical agenda. We could all learn well by what happened to NAMBLA.

As it relates to building bridges, you are right again. There is nothing more important for our community to do. It is the only way we are ever going to be able to get any possible acceptance in the larger community for who we are as human being and what we feel is right for children

Michael Melsheimer:

My organization is not going to say to offend.

I am a BL without regret and will always be a BL without regret. My life as a bl has been terrific. No one could ever make me say otherwise. This is even considering that I spent time in prison.

Our line in the sand has historically defeated us. We need to think about a new one.

Michael Melsheimer:

We need to come together as a community. But there is another choir we need to preach to. That choir is the larger community, and it can help make all our dreams come true. Our problem is that they aren't singing our song . The major job in front of us is to get them to sing it.

We have to be very careful at first as to what we say and do, so we can say do and say more down the road. We need to build bridges and coalitions. This means that we might have to cool it for the moment. Please note that I said for the moment.

Will Robinson:

I am continually amazed at the political skills (evasiveness?) of this B4U-Act organization.

Michael Melsheimer has my vote as one of the smoothest operators I've ever beheld.

Is he a great leader or the new "Tricky Dick" of pedo-politics?

Richard Kramer:

As you may know, B4U-Act is promoting communication between minor-attracted people and mental health professionals. The purpose of these services is NOT to "cure" us of our attraction to minors--we do NOT believe we are sick.

It comes as no surprise to us at Absolute Zero that this was B4U-Act's goal, we've been saying this all along, yet Alex Marbury, the coordinator behind the "Reform Sex Offender Laws" campaign, embraces B4U-Act and even describes pedophilia as an "important discussion" to educate activists on the benevolence of pedophiles.

This is a campaign being supported by sex offenders activists claiming to be "reformed." Groups like SOSEN and individuals like Mary Duval. msdxe3ct78

On the Side of the Center

Ricky's mom - Mary aka Tikibug, Buggy, Hell's Bug, and HotRodAnimal requested that I write an article about her. I thought it was a little strange but hey, I've got no problem with it. What I DO have a problem with is her.

Mary pretends I have a problem with her because her son is a sex offender or because she speaks her mind. But it has nothing to do with her son, and she knows this. I've said if I were in her shoes I'd fight for my child too. Nor does it have anything to do with the fact that she IS speaking up. It has solely to do with what she's saying and the fact that she is actively promoting legalized adult/child sex.

Just the other night Derek made comments regarding "his side" of the issue of sex offender laws. He also made comments about people on the "other side" - his enemies - which he referred to as the Victim's Side. But isn't that one of the biggest problems within these RSO groups? They don't understand that there is not a "victim's side". Victims are the center of this issue.

Not only is sincere concern for victims blatantly missing in these groups but they routinely mock them, blame them, demean them and even deny their existence. Mary, who has said some of the most appalling things about victims that I've ever heard - fails to even raise an eyebrow from the people who follow her. The rest of us catch our breath in utter shock - but Mary's cohorts seem to not even notice- and why should they? They've been indoctrinated into the language of blame gaming. And Mary? She's been indoctrinated into the language of pedophiles.

A pedophile apologist is just as dangerous as a pedophile. But I believe Mary is more than that. I believe she's a pedophile activist as well. What else could you call it? On the one hand Mary says most child sexual abuse is committed by the child's parents. Then she says ONLY parents can protect children! Then she agrees with a schizophrenic multiple child rapist that the government has no right to set an age of consent - it should be up to the parents to decide their child is old enough for sexual activity or not. Who is going to protect children from those parents who exploit their own children? Or marry pedophile baby rapers and bring them into their homes to live with their children? Is it Marshall Burns of the RSOL who spoke of having sex with 13 year old boys in Boston in the late 1970's and says he's completely without remorse? He educated Mary. See.... even parents shouldn't have a say in when their child has sex because - they might teach them repressive morality. Thus:

Children should be defined as persons under the age of puberty.

Support broad sex education for children, and empower them to make their own decisions and stand up for their rights

Mary agreed. She put her name to the statement. She put her face to it. She put her voice to it. She did this because she's a woman completely lacking in integrity, honor, honesty, humility, intelligence and compassion. Except where sexual abusers are concerned.

Mary says she's "no dumb duck" and calls anyone who disagrees with her ignorant and yet - she fails to realize that you can train even a monkey to perform tricks the same way you can train a trashy hick to memorize pedo myths.

At the 1978 Boston Conference to form Nambla Dr. Richard Pillard said:

"Men and boys who love each other are engaging in a social experiment."

In 1998 Nambla members wrote a petition called "A call to safeguard our children and our liberties". Top signatory was Dr. Richard Pillard.

In 2007 the same petition was recycled and renamed An Urgent Call to Support the Well-being of Children and the Rights of Us All aka Reform Sex Offender Laws Campaign or RSOL. The top signatory was Dr. Richard Pillard. All references to Nambla and "boylovers" were removed and information about the sex offender registry was added. The rest is identical.

Now in 2009, Dr. Richard Pillard is the introductory speaker for the new and improved Boston Conference held this weekend.

You see, Nambla discovered 30 years ago that people were never going to accept a group of pedophile activists who wanted to have sex with their little boys.

They changed their name in 1997 and tried to claim it was "to safeguard children". That campaign quickly died, probably aided along by the rabid support of Dennis Bejin, Nambla Steering Committee member known as "Diaper Boy" and implicated in the Jeffrey Curley wrongful death lawsuit.

But in 2007, they realized the time was ripe. New sex offender restrictions were popping up everywhere - how better to get what you wanted than to have women who were NOT pedophiles themselves promote your agenda?

Listen:

Look:

Listen:

You think Mary doesn't know? Of course she knows. She admitted she knows, not only that she has stated there should be no age of consent laws. There should be no registry, no residency restrictions, no GPS monitoring, no civil commitment, no polygraph exams on supervision. She has stated that victims and their parents should be "held accountable" while referring to the offender as "just a baby". She calls child pornography a victimless crime and says maybe it helps someone not molest children. She says a woman who won't allow her child to be alone with a bus driver is hysterical and to parents whose children have been abused as negligent. She says no law will stop someone from committing a crime.........therefore what? Anarchy.

Mary is a joke. She has bashed John Walsh, Mark Lunsford and other parents of murdered children, not just the laws they've supported but on a personal basis. She has referred to victims as "snot-nosed teary-eyed victims", she's cold, she's heartless, she's despicable and she's offensive to anyone except abusers and enablers.

She recently had Ron Book on her podcast to talk about the situation of sex offenders living under the Julia Tuttle Causeway in Miami. She referred to it as a "coup" and implored everyone to be on their best behavior because she was "literally representing 700,000 people". I wonder how many of those people WANT Mary Duval the ignorant, trailer trash supporter of adult/child sex speaking on their behalf? Let's look at how that turned out. All the RSO's in the chat room were calling Mr. Book "a hater" and "filled with anger" while saying things like this:

[9:05:59 PM] IWillNotObey am i the only one in here hoping his car crashes head on into a semi while hes on this show?

[9:12:22 PM] ladybear yes he is a professional victim and is making his daughter one too

[9:12:50 PM] Sex Offender Issues F U RON!!!!!!!

[9:22:50 PM] The Fallen One thanks y'all but i want a piece of ronnies ass

[9:38:15 PM] CRASH101 This guy is nothing more than a vindictive hate filled politician !

[10:10:57 PM] Sex Offender Issues Someone needs to give him another A--hole.

[10:15:21 PM] CRASH101 He is so full of HATE ! what a coward you are RON !

[10:15:33 PM] CRASH101 I want to punch this fuck in the face !

[10:17:05 PM] The Fallen One i'd punch him in the face if he was here then chokeslam him

[11:18:36 PM] Sex Offender Issues If I would've said what Mary did, I would not have appologized

[11:29:36 PM] ladybear IMO he has made his daughter into his poster victim and he willnot allow her to ehal

Listen:

Mary didn't get that at all. Lauren and people like Lauren are the center. Without recognition of the center Mary will remain as "clueless" as she was in those statements she made. Mary doesn't comprehend what's going on.

Listen:

In other words - you can talk about people however you want just don't get caught at it, and when you do lie about it. "I was just angry after the meeting" despite the fact that she ranted about her for two weeks straight. At least now she's ceased bashing Lauren and turned her venom to Ron. I have a feeling he can handle that little insignificant bug. Someone who has said the things she's said about victims and then DARES to say this:

"And if you can't show respect, then don't ask for none"

HT Jacey

SOFTLY, softly, catchee monkey

Meet Christopher Wrigley aka Christopher Warwick

aka Appy

aka Apollo11

and of course Christopher Robin

Chris has been a member of BoyChat since 1996.

But he's much more than that. He's also a convicted sex offender, having been found guilty in 1999 for "distributing indecent photographs of children and also possessing indecent photographs with intent to distribute them"

The photos in question were young boys aged 5 to 15.

The most interesting aspect to me is the defense he used. On BoyChat he told them he studied Psychology in college due to his interest in childhood development. He told authorities:

Christopher Wrigley said he communicated with the men because he wanted to compare their reaction to indecent pictures.

The only reason he exchanged images with Kinloch and another American named Sonny Delite, he said, was to determine what sort of pornography interested pedophiles.

And he told the jury:

that his only interest in the photos was for his university research project on child abuse.

"Everything I've ever written, everything I've ever done is for one goal, one objective - to reduce incidences of child sexual abuse. "

Amazingly enough half of the first jury believed him and deadlocked! I'm thinking they didn't know about his activities on BoyChat and other places. Like what he said about meeting a new "young friend"

But all the while I'm getting this nagging feeling, "this kid is 13 and will be 14 in six months, he's too old for you to start a friendship."

I like to take things REAL slow... friends at 9, best friends at 11, if you know what I mean.

Or this one

I discovered why we are what we are

Pederastsy exists to provide natural function within humanity. It exists, quite simply, to provide a natural form of education for the young. Through this mentorship a human male's sexual development is shaped which is then used to maintain survival of the species.

Or this one

...This community is stronger than some of you would care to admit. I only hope that a moment will come in my future where I can highlight that strength and tell the untold true story that is the beauty of boylove...

But the strangest one of all came upon his most recent return to BoyChat:

You are NOT alone!!! :-)

Thought I'd just surface briefly to tell you life is good, actually very good... and to say that not all prolifically active members of the BL community end up behind bars (as wikisposure and perverted justice would have you believe... still, I had a laugh reading up about 'me' on their website).

One thing I've learnt with age and the work I've been doing... It's worth remembering that you don't have to be prolific as a BL activist to get your message across. 'SOFTLY, softly, catchee monkey' as they say. In these hard times, guile is required to win people's minds over.

Maybe this time Chris can stay out of prison, so he won't have to join his fellow ex-DJ's at Sure Quality Radio.

Like

• Jeffrey Gold
• Jon Schillaci aka Dylan Thomas
• Matthew Fox aka Divinaw
• Leonard Leopold aka Boystory

Not to mention of course his good friend Harold Spurling aka Aztram

All of these men are perfect examples of the dangers of their online communications with each other.

From the NYT

Today, pedophiles go online to seek tips for getting near children — at camps, through foster care, at community gatherings and at countless other events.

In this online community, pedophiles view themselves as the vanguard of a nascent movement seeking legalization of child pornography and the loosening of age-of-consent laws. They portray themselves as battling for children’s rights to engage in sex with adults, a fight they liken to the civil rights movement.

But the existence of this community is significant and troubling, experts said, because it reinforces beliefs that, when acted upon, are criminal. Repeatedly in these conversations, pedophiles said the discussions had helped them accept their attractions and had even allowed them to have sex with a child without guilt.

“It is rationalization that allows them to avoid admitting that their desires are harmful and illegal,” said Bill Walsh, a former commander of the Crimes Against Children Unit for the Dallas Police Department, who founded the most prominent annual national conference on the issue. “That can allow them to take that final step and cross over from fantasy into real-world offenses.”

Some pedophiles revealed that they gained access to children through their own families. Some discussed how they married to be close to the children from their wives’ previous marriages. Pedophiles who said they were fathers described moments involving their own children

Experts described the pedophiles’ online worldview as reflective of “neutralization,” a psychological rationalization used by groups that deviate from societal norms.

In essence, the groups deem potentially injurious acts and beliefs harmless. That is accomplished in part by denying that a victim is injured, condemning critics and appealing to higher loyalties — in this case, an ostensible struggle for the sexual freedom of children.

Visit Wikisposure and learn more about Christopher Wrigley

Basking in the Radiance of Madness

Demosthenes AKA Jacob Detring was once one of the loudest, most aggressive and radical voices at GirlChat...until he started making enemies from his own "brothers and sisters"- as he referred to them.

I admit it's rather nice to tick off the names of some of those on my personal top ten list of filthy pedophiles. It makes me happy. It makes me smile. But I'll smile even bigger when the other 7 are revealed. Can you guess who they are? MY list may not match your list. I guess we all have different reasons, eh?

* Winston Smith
* Dylan Thomas
* Demosthenes

Jacob was so easy to despise. From his history of making scathing flames directed at his own, to the scathing flames directed at us, to his support for giving drugs to little girls to prevent them from going through puberty, to his frequent puffed-up diatribes, support for child pornography and calls for Revolution - Demosthenes was impossible to ignore.

Who could forget this?

"Shame? I am very proud of who and what I am."

"I make no excuses or apologies, nor do I hold back."

"Most of my life, the one thing that I always seemed to have going for me when nothing else did was my linguistic ability, my ability to dance and play with written (and sometimes spoken) word. Being my, to me, singularly most outstanding gift, I worked and honed it until it could also be my most potent weapon."

"Violence and force can spurn people to a desired action, but words can make those same people to take the ideal behind that action into their heart and make it their own. As has been said many times throughout history, words are power.. and I very much enjoy being powerful."

Of course he also said this:

"modelling pictures are legal, and "feeling up" your LGF may not be but if it is desired and accepted by her then there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. We all know this, whether we dance around the "brake no law" stance or not"

And:

"We are all that stands between children and a world where innocence of any kind can not exist. Yes, innocence can thrive when we are involved with a child, even when that involvement becomes sexual. We are children's last hope, and they are our salvation"

And:

"You want to know how I overcame some of those obstacles that are dominating your psyche? I did it by letting sanity go and basking in the radiance of madness. Sanity is an illusion."

Jacob Detring believed that children needed to be taught about sex - by having sex with adults, otherwise they would become dysfunctional adolescents, then dysfunctional adults. Like him.

He thought people would believe him when he said:

"My only goal in all of this is to create the system that allows children to flourish and meet their potential. I don't care about getting anything for myself. I'm for the complete sexual liberation of youth, as well, but I don't have any personal gain in mind with it."

After he had said this:

"Trust me.. you don't get away with it and people don't find it cute. The mother of a girlfriend that I did have like that at that age threatened to call the police on me if I didn't stay away from her daughter"

He wanted to be a leader:

"They have agendas, but their battle plan is one of histrionics and fear. Our battle plan would have to be such that they didn't see the effects of it until it were too late for them to do anything about it.

They want someone to label as the leader? I'll take the honor. I'm arrogant enough to enjoy the thought of my name being the one that they curse when the day comes that they realize that they lost their war before it was started. They are so foolish that they don't even take into consideration that in our numbers are some of the most intelligent people in the world.

One does what one must. I have existed in obscurity and shadow my entire life, but I've always known what it would come to if anything were to change. Do I want to be the leader? Desire has little to do with it, as I don't pray for that sort of responsibility. The issue is what one is willing to do. A leader is required for a movement to exist, as such, I will do what I must. I have spent my life existing but not living, and if my life is the required payment for the the world to change, then so be it. Death is something that I have never been afraid of.. living has.

As I have said before, the win against them must be sudden and it must be decisive. We can not fight to merely win the first battle, we must make the first battle the only one by winning so completely that there no chance of the next one."

Jacob abandoned the war and scurried away before attending the first battle. Outwitted I suppose you could say. Or perhaps he just found himself under a boot. Yes, it really was just that simple after all.

"In the end, there is something that I feel for the antis stronger than hate. The strongest feeling that I hold toward those people is pity.

I pity them because they are varelse, and they will never be able to understand the joy that we feel. They will never be able to love children as we do......But that pity will not save them from me when the time comes for me to stand and take the inevitable war to them.

They war against us now and stand basking in their small victories, but they can not conceive of the day approaching when their time will be over and the world will no longer have a place for them. Their hypocritical and disgusting cry is "protect the children", ours will be simply "For the Children!".

"Protect children" is a disgusting cry? Only someone whose sole motivation is sexual pleasure at the expense of an innocent child could say such a thing. "For the children" is pedospeak for "I'm molesting kids for their own good"

But, thanks to Wikisposure's boot perhaps we've now heard the last of Jacob's nauseating pontificating pomposity. When all is said and done he's really no more than what he said he was ..... Jacob Detring is "Pedo by Design"

HT Jacey

The Darkness Within

Alia Loren Jacobson
aka
Poisontears

Her website describes her this way:

"As the recently crowned Princess of the Night, Alia is intrigued by beauty found within the macabre, and intends to show a generation of gothlings just how intensely exquisite the darkness within the soul can be."

What's the first thing people think when they see her I wonder.

Take that thought, whatever it might be and add the fact that she's a pedophile and attracted to prepubescent little girls. And sometimes boys. Never adults.

Add to that her interest in necrophilia. The interest she says she tries to keep suppressed.

Ready? Now add the fact that unlike the other pedophiles she doesn't even try to disguise herself as a "girl lover" - No she says it straight out -

"i'm not even sure if i can truly consider myself to be a girllover--after all, most of my fantasies are purely physical and include hurting little girls. there is no way that can be considered girllove."

Does this concern you?

When Alia was in college she confessed her desires to a friend. This friend reported Alia and she was forced to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Alia's parents told her not to "tell too much" and shortly Alia returned to GirlChat to say she had been deemed "not dangerous to children" but admitted that they don't really know the full extent of her deranged views.

I'd like to consider for a moment what WE - we meaning people who don't want to have sex with children - we who don't want to make children scream - would do, what would we say to someone like this? Someone who wasn't a stranger but a long-time member of the group? What if they said this to you

"Sometimes when i'm walking and i see someone boy or girl who i think is beautiful the first thing that comes through my mind is how erotic it would be to hurt them....."

So? What would you say? What would you do? Let's look at what GirlChat members said to her. She's been there for EIGHT years, I'd be guessing that her desire isn't going away anytime soon wouldn't you? This is how the "Girl lovers" aka child haters responded when Alia said:

What am I? Where should I go? Help me!

I don’t know how to transfer my desire to strangle into a desire to cuddle

T3hl33tg33k:

You can talk to me

I think we might have similar feelings

Minstrel:

I strongly advise against 'professional help' as being completely useless for any problems you might have. If you tell a shrink you're attracted to girls, you're already doomed, even without mentioning violent fantasies. I don't see the point in throwing your life away

So, where should you go? I suggest Girl Chat Chat.

Dissident:

fantasies are just a way to let off steam for your inner frustrations. However, I don't think it's particularly healthy to NEVER think about cuddling and gentle imagery and to ALWAYS think about abusive behavior in your fantasies. A healthy dosage of both is better than just one type of fantasizing exclusively, IMO

You seem like a pleasant enough person, Poison

BB:

What I would guess is that you've never actually been able to have a close relationship with a LG. If you did, I strongly suspect that you would find the comfort you're seeking in the warm, soft, comforting arms of a LG. If you had the opportunity to really be with a girl, you would find that violence is the furthest thing from your mind.

T3hl33tg33k:

Wait a minute, you have a vagina!
Rape away, then! People will be thanking you for it.

Blue Heaven:

Accept the problem and let it go, but don't encourage it, and don't deny it. Just let it be. If you're a good person otherwise, then hold true to that.

Razor1911:

i refuse to blame sex offenders that actually kidnap a child and do something about it

Whatever happens is the pedophobes' fault.

For example, the person that technically did it should receive one year in prison while the pedophobic therapists and their accomplices in society should be slowly beaten to death. They are child killers, pulling the strings from a good distance while we erreneously focus, with a perspective that is far too small, on the single person that has his strings pulled.

BB:

Yes, the Antis are responsible for creating the monsters that they hate, but those monsters still have free will.

I will concede, however, that if all the Antis died, there be virtually no crimes against children anymore.

LGSoul:

As long as you seperate fantasy from reality and maintain your self-control you should have no problem. Or maybe if you feel its best just stay away from little girls. Or (if you live in the USA) you could masturbate to violent lolicon. To sexually relieve yourself.

THAT is the truth about GirlChat. Their entire existence is nothing more than denial, rationalizations and LIES. They lie to society, they lie to the Anti's, they lie to each other and they lie to themselves. They HAVE to, the truth might make them scream.

Knowing how they fed into the disturbed and demented mind of Alia Jacobson, I wonder what they would say if she did what Melissa Huckaby did? I don't think that is too far-fetched of a question to ask, especially when they've been wondering if Melissa could possibly be a member of one of their pedo-sites. Hopefully we'll never have to discover that answer considering they won't discuss their own members who commit crimes and go to prison for life. However, we CAN see what they had to say about the woman accused of sexually assaulting and murdering Sandra Cantu.

Trucker refers to Melissa Huckaby:

I feel more pity for her than sweet little Sandra; at least Sandra's in LG heaven while the rest of the world has to fight through this hellish life.

I hope the antis are damn skippy over the atmosphere they created. If there was more understanding than hating maybe Sandra would still be alive.

Iron Marxist:

If she was a member of the MAA community then she has even less of an excuse for doing what she did because that would mean that she felt love for little girls. Maybe she was constantly told all her life that she was an evil monster who was destined to hurt kids and she finally broke under the pressure.

But when any one of us allows society to break us and does something stupid and savagely cruel, not only does an innocent child and her family suffer but so does the entire MAA community. I just hope that when Sandra's Law is passed we don't end up losing forums like GC, because these forums help to prevent any of us from acting out in negative ways.

MimzyBorogrove:

You really want to know who killed Sandra Cantu? I'll tell you. It was you, I, and everyone else who has ever turned an unseeing eye or an uncaring heart to another's plight (or our own, for that matter.) Anyone who has taken profit from another's suffering, whether direct or not. Those among us who watch the darkness descending, who cry out for the dying of the light, yet, can't seem to break out of our molds enough to say "Enough is enough." We did it. We killed that little girl, as surely as if we had been standing there. And only by taking responsibility for all of this, can we ever hope to change ANY of it.

Trucker:

I don't care if I get heat for this but I can't stand how the U.S. just coddles and overprotects children just to keep them "innocent."

So a suspect in Sandra Cantu's murder has been caught. Notice how quickly the police got someone, not because a person was murdered, but because a "sweet, innocent little girl" was murdered. Is the concept of innocence worth the price of depriving possibly innocent people of freedom and riling paranoia?

Are children so helpless and ignorant that they must be given special attention whenever one gets killed every two years?

Until this bogus "innocence" stigma is done away with and children are seen as equals with adults, we will never be one unified people.

That's the brand of distorted crap Alia has heard for eight years. Alia, a woman fighting urges to "kill and rape and maim" receiving responses that

• it's just OCD
• it's normal to think that way
• she's really a nice person
• hold true to herself
  
• find violent lolicon to further feed the fantasies
• find a little girl to love

But if she does act out and hurts a child........then it's the fault of people who don't want her to molest their children.

So I ask you - if it were legal for adults to have sex with children, what do you think Alia Loren Jacobson would do?

"....I guess i have always sympathized too much with people who commit horrendous crimes because every so often i myself have to sit down and solemnly swear to myself that i will never murder anyone."

--poisontears
GirlChat 2003