"If the police came knocking on my door"

Do you find it interesting when those that preach "tolerance" the loudest sometimes are the most intolerant? I do. Let's take a look at that.

Here is Daniel Thorlby aka Carrollingian.

He's just another filthy pedophile from GirlChat.

We wrote about his roommate Brother Chubba here

So what's so special abut Daniel? Well you see Daniel Thorlby is a member of the British National Party. A man who wants to molest little girls and be accepted for it running for office as a member of the BNP? That strikes me as a little odd personally. He's quite proud of the photos taken of him along side Nick Griffin. I wonder what Nick Griffin thinks of Daniel? Perhaps he just shakes his head and says "What a strange duck" but I think more likely he just doesn't know.... despite Daniel's assertions that he's "out" to everyone in his life.

I think Daniel Thorlby is just a typical pedophile who -- in his own words -- "pervs on girls" and fancies himself a writer. Yes a journalist, playwright, poet and pedo savior. He wrote a long essay and was published on IPCE -- "International Pedophile and Child Emancipation" Perhaps one day we'll see his books on Amazon.com - the primary distributor of pedophile propaganda.

Daniel Thorlby is in fact such a brilliant politician that he came up with several different plans for pedo activism. One included all pedophiles doing something to get themselves fired so they could all be supported by the state -- and since there are so many pedophiles you know it would financially ruin the taxpayers. I guess that will show them eh? Wonder if he ran his theory by Nick Griffin the head of the BNP?

Between Daniel and his roomie Steve they say they've met several pedophiles at their home. From Tom O'Carroll to Foreverman, Docter Marten and Seamus. Who are those people? Well we know Tom of course. Let's try to find out the others, shall we?

Daniel has gone so far in fact that he has devised a plan for a pedophile army. He called it the PLO as in Paedophile Liberation Organization.

My fantasy at the moment is to form a paedophile army, then to stage a demonstration for pro-paedophilia in the middle of some big city. All those paedophobic bastards who come out to throw rocks at us and shoot us, and all the police who come to break us up etc. will then be legitimate targets for all of the PLO (paedophile liberation organization) snipers that are staged around the area.

And this will only be legitimate because there is NO OTHER WAY. Paedophiles do not WANT to be violent. But what other option is there. We are still RIGHT. Just because all other options for paedophile liberation have been exhausted, does not mean we have stopped being RIGHT. We must continue to do something!...

Now back to reality. If the police came knocking on my door, I would take a few of them down with me. I think I've said this before. Be warned, Mike.

Well naturally I can see what he's saying, there's simply NO OTHER WAY. They don't really WANT to be violent, they don't really WANT to be snipers, they don't really WANT to take out the police if they come knocking at their door. But really now, it appears there is no other way.

Visit Wikisposure and read about Daniel Thorlby. But be warned the article contains especially disturbing subject matter. Reader discretion is advised.

"Think if you can"

So speaks Bennie Walton.

A big HT to OperationSoRoarFul for passing on this juicy comment left by Bennie Walton

Benoliwal, you see is a sex offender activist. Whether following in the footsteps of all the others or whether they are following in his is yet to be determined. The point is what he's saying.

He believes that the problem with people who prey on children is all the fault of the parents and children who go where they don't belong. Bennie instructs us all to "think if you can"

OKAY. We will.

Expressions in one way or another made by parents who can’t and won’t take responsibility for their own children and what they are doing to get propositioned in the first place by strangers on the Internet.

There are sayings of irresponsible parents, vigilantes, and legislators who have taken up the banner of vigilantism.

To get propositioned in the first place? What? Bennie goes on to tell us that if children get on the internet and go to age-inappropriate sites that apparently they deserve whatever they get. If their parents are neglectful or irresponsible parents well it's their fault. WA LA Let's be sure and plant all the blame exactly where it belongs here........the victim.

Who cares about balanced laws and equity, surely not the vigilante, nor the parents who want to blame everyone else for their lack of control over their children? If children, under the age of 13 are propositioned on the Internet by strangers, then the question bares asking, what are these young children doing in places on the Internet where they do not belong? It isn’t the fault of the sex offender, or the pedophile, it is the fault of clueless and weak parents and guardians.

I'm thinking that with Bennie's line of reasoning a few other questions needs answers as well. If a child gets molested in the park, or the restroom or the department store or his coach's car, well what the hell was he doing there in the first place? If a child is molested by his teacher what the hell was he doing being at school? If a child gets molested in his home by a pedo-parent or an uncle or cousin or neighbor or friend of the family, what the hell was he thinking being in the home of a pedophile in the first place? "It isn't the fault of the sex offender or the pedophile"

Granted there are bad parents out there. There are also good parents. And whether a childs parent is good or bad they don't deserve to be molested. And while there are a lot of things you can do to try and minimize the chances that something like that will happen to your child nothing, absolutely nothing is fail proof. We cannot lock our children up inside our homes with dead-bolts and bars on the window. We cannot keep them on a leash no more than 5 feet from our presence. And stupid activists should not be trying to make other people responsible for their own actions. Period.

Derek Logue

My victim was a follower. She has a GIRLFRIEND now. She has the reputation of being wild and of loose morals. A regular Lolita enjoying her illicit relationships...I have at least some buffer in knowing she was corrupt long before I met her.

Shirley Lowery

Parents are passing their warped views on to their children. Children are taught that anything inappropriate that happens to them is the fault of someone else.

Lindsay Ashford

Of course, such activity has been declared illegal in most places and Sugar and Spice clearly states this, but it certainly would not do to have children learning that their parents, schools, churches and lawmakers are lying to them when they say that all intimate touching is ‘bad touch’

Blueribbon

We must work with children in order to counter-indocrinate them, so that they don’t grow up to have the appalling values of the adults of today.

Susan McHolland

I blame whatever is causing this country to forget its values and the constitution itself - I blame the ignorant, uneducated public who by either the poor state of our system of justice, politics, education, and morals, or by their own choice, throw themselves gleefully into the realm of the “sheep mentality” which is becoming so prevalent in our society today

Jan Kruska

"The common thread with all of these cases is that the parents were living less than, shall we say, good moral lifestyles....."

IPCE

Many young people prefer consciously to have their own secrets. They make their own choices and do not want to be protected. ‘Don’t treat me as a child’, they say. It is their right to have this freedom. The freedom to say no and the freedom to say yes

And speaking of IPCE, I wonder if Jan Kruska has tried to sue them yet for posting her entire article in their newsletter. IPCE: International Pedophile and Child Emancipation. On the other hand. Perhaps she just gave them permission, they do appear to promote the same goals after all.

They're holding out for a Hero

"Experts have often wondered what proportion of men who download explicit sexual images of children also molest them. A new government study of convicted Internet offenders suggests that the number may be startlingly high: 85 percent of the offenders said they had committed acts of sexual abuse against minors, from inappropriate touching to rape."

Traffic in online child pornography has exploded in recent years, and the new study, some experts say, should be made public as soon as possible, to identify men who claim to be “just looking at pictures” but could, in fact, be predators.

Let's look at a few of these men.

First up we have actor Chris Langham

Sentenced to a mere 10 months in prison for downloading child pornography.

"Once the 43 days he has spent in jail since his conviction are taken into account, the actor will serve just over three and a half months."

Outrageous? You bet it is.

What was Chris looking at?

"One video found at his home featured a girl of eight who was being abused by her father and has since been rescued by police.

She had been subjected to what is known as 'level 5 abuse' - the most extreme level and which can include sadism and bestiality.

In the film she was bound, naked and blindfolded, and tied to a ceiling."

Next we have Charles Rust-Tierney, former president of the the Virginia ACLU, youth sports coach and an advocate for unrestricted use of the Internet in public libraries was sentenced to seven years in federal prison for sadistic child pornography.

Charles Rust-Tierney, 51, pleaded guilty in June to downloading hundreds of pornographic images of children as young as 4. Authorities said Rust-Tierney used a computer in his 11-year-old son's bedroom to view the files, which included a six-minute video that depicted sexual torture of children, set to a song by the rock band Nine Inch Nails

And what have we here?

David Arthur Joy

A pedophile who campaigned for sex with children as young as four to be legal, now sentenced to an indeterminate jail term after he pleaded guilty to 11 counts of making or possessing indecent images of children.

David, a member of the notorious Pedophile Information Exchange or P.I.E. "also had a string of previous convictions for child sex offenses dating back to the 1970s and 1980s, including the attempted rape of a young girl and indecent assault."

Now, before you get all excited, no albertRoss wasn't busted in this raid. It's just that...well, his house looks just like David's.

"As part of coordinated raids on the remaining leading members of PIE, officers from Scotland Yard's Paedophile Unit swooped on recluse Joy's one-bedroom flat.

The property was so untidy that officers had to climb around rotting piles of newspapers, rubbish and clutter to find what they were looking for, the court heard.

They eventually unearthed some 1,129 indecent images involving children as young as one in innocent-looking files by his bed, between the pages of books, in magazines and on two home computers.

Several were in the very worst "level 5" category, which includes sadism"

And now meet David's friends

61-year-old Thomas Victor O'Carroll, an out of work journalist and 67-year-old Michael John De Clare Studdert , a retired Anglican minister, were arrested in January 2006 after the Met's Paedophile Unit conducted a series of co-ordinated searches and arrests.

O'Carroll is a high-profile activist who has campaigned to legitimise certain aspects of paedophilia and was the chairman of the now defunct Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE) in the UK. He has latterly been a member of the International Paedophile Child Emancipation forum (IPCE).

During the arrest phase of the operation, a search of Studdert's extensive country home, and some 17 acres of grounds, uncovered two highly sophisticated hidden compartments within his bathroom One was hidden behind a false wall by the bath and the other was hidden in the eves of the house and accessed by a secret door opposite the toilet. The 'hides' contained a massive hoard of indecent images of children, believed to be his lifetime's collection, with images from the 1950's to modern day in a variety of formats.

The formats included videos, photographic slides, cine films, photographs, magazines and photographic negatives. In terms of formats it was the widest ranging personal collection of abusive material known to the Metropolitan Police Service ever attributed to one person.

Well what was the harm in that? They were only lookin' weren't they? That shouldn't be a crime should it? Why just last year after 125 men were arrested for possession of child pornography including infants so young they had pacifiers in their mouths *d* of boychat had this to say

So, instead of saying "ohmygawdtheyareabusinginfants thebastards!" the police and news should be saying "thank goodness these kids won't remember what happened."

Let's not forget that. Let's not forget how much the filthy pedophiles just love children. And while we're remembering that, let's also remember BoyChat's very own fallen heroes Camper and Jim Finn aka Jimf3. And let's also remember GirlChat's Infinity, Lux, Taf-Kat and Nigel Oldfield all guilty of exploiting children through the use of child pornography. Sweet little pics? Child-like images? Oh no. See, Taf-Kat had

many CD's filled to bursting with my precious pictures, tens of thousands of them, all kinds, from innocent, fully clothed girls, through posed nudity, to the hardest cp you can imagine.

And Nigel had

bestiality, heterosexual sex, cross-dressing, masturbation, torture, all ages of children

Maybe some of that had to do with Nigel being an

"exhibitionist cross dressing bisexual"

I don't know, he brags about it, and he's not even remotely sorry for it. Perhaps he simply can't decide which word is a noun and which is a verb.



He had this to say about it

• I had an unclean house
• I have been obsessed
• I had no sexual inhibitions whatsoever
• I am not going to attempt to frighten the reader into abstinence
• I hardly cared at all during the episode about these immense consequences, such was the power of the combination of contributing factors and the intensity
• I started to create the most offensive series of photo-realistic fabrications I could imagine
• I would describe it as though Evil was sat with me for a few weeks
• The biggest mistake I will ever make in my life, but I don't regret it

He doesn't regret it? Well, why would he? He doesn't believe he's done anything to regret. No, you see he's only sorry he got caught. Which sounds verrrrry familiar now that you mention it....could it be the Webmaster of Boychat perhaps?

"So let's say, for the sake of argument, that he really did have child pornography...The question is, "So what?" So, Jim got to see something that we all wish we could see.

So then... maybe Jim got to see it. Should I "cluck, cluck" and say, "Oh, how could you, Jim, you've let us all down?" No. What I would say if I knew Jim got a glimpse would be, "Way to go, boy." I'd give him a thumbs-up and, if I got a chance, I'd ask for a description.

You broke the law... but you didn't do anything I don't wish I could do, too. I won't... but damn, I wish I could

Some years ago, another good friend of mine IMed me and said, "Dylan, I'm in trouble. I got caught with a boy. I'm probably going to go to prison." I think I took him completely by surprise when my response was, "Good for you."

He asked, "You aren't mad?" I said that I was to some degree pissed about the things he and the boy would both have to go through as they were ground up by the system, but the fact that he had sex with a boy? "Are you kidding? You got some!

I've got to protect my own security--don't ask me to hold on to your CD collection while you're in jail, and for the love of Timmy, if you know you're doing something illegal, don't fucking tell me about it

As far as I'm concerned, if you go to prison for something involving a boy (or a photo of a boy, or a movie of a boy, or whatever), you're not a "fallen boylover." You are a hero boylover. You did it. You've been there, you've done that

When you outlaw who we are, we don't have any choice except to be a bunch of outlaws. Gimme me a break: let me write the laws for a while. I'll make heterosexual behavior illegal, and then we'll see how long everyone else can stay out of jail. Our boylove criminals aren't something to be ashamed of; they're something to be proud of!

Some people say that Dylan Thomas's influence is limited. They say that the vomit he spews forth on a regular basis would only influence pedoheads, and they're all deluded anyway. It's easy for Dylan to puff them up with baby raping pride. They'd do it anyway with or without him.

And while that in itself may be true, there are other borderline psychotics out there. Other unstable people. People who WANT so much to Believe that they latch on to this vomit spewing, ugly, pock marked little weasel of a man. They latch on....and they hang on for dear life. Sometimes they even spread his agenda around in seemingly unlikely places. But, that's another story.

Graphics courtesy of Jacey

Jay Baskins Introduction

Over on the IPCE website they have lots of info for pedophiles

For people who are engaged in scholarly discussion about the understanding and emancipation of mutual relationships between children or adolescents and adults.

These relationships are intended to be viewed from an unbiased, non-judgmental perspective and in relation to the human rights of both the young and adult partners.

Oh , we should have some really unbiased information here then shouldn't we? I think I'll start with Jay Baskins who wrote a paper titled Factoids and the Sex Abuse Panic.

Jay starts out by saying

The religious right has been deliberately drumming up a moral panic about sex abuse for decades now.

As for AZ, we have politically liberal members as well as conservative members. We have fervently religious members along with 'somewhat' religious, all the way to our agnostic and atheist members.

You see, the child sex abuse issue crosses all political and religious boundaries.

Then Jay says:

By creating an atmosphere of hysteria about sex, the religious right has prevented the intelligent and nuanced discussion of the sexuality of children.

By the creation of a radically disenfranchised group ("Pedophiles") the political right is able to dismantle due process and the machinery of a free society.

OK, again, it is NOT the religious/political right, it is everyday people from all walks of life and opinion. Anyone who is against pedophilia did not create a disenfranchised group --Pedophiles

The only thing preventing intelligent discussion is a lack of intelligence on the part of pedovore child lusters.

Now we here at AZ are going to spend a bit of time analyzing what you have to say Mr. Jay Baskins. One thing I'd seriously like to determine is this.......... do you repeat the the 'factoids' so rampant amongst the pedophile community out of sheer stubborness...that you will hold onto it til death do you part even when proven to be wrong, or is it that you're so intellectually challenged you don't understand, or are you being maliciously deceptive?

Perhaps the answer will turn out to be all three.

Stay tuned for Facts According to Jay.