Anything you say may be used against you

U.S. criminal investigator Flint Waters works undercover in the war on child pornography. And just like the other 800 licensed investigators working the internet, he goes for stress counseling often. Is it any wonder why? He describes some of the recent things he's found.

"A video of a toddler on a changing table who is penetrated by an adult male."

"Pictures of a young girl, 6 or 7 years old, nude, tied to a chair and being penetrated by a dog."

But Jenn aka Forlorn would have you believe that men who view those types of images should be given a slap on the wrist. After all, the viewer didn't commit an act of violence, and well it's pretty much a victimless crime isn't it? Of course Jenn would say that, her brother is entering federal prison in January on child pornography charges. He's so depressed, why he's absolutely suicidal.

"they can get through prison... can they truly get through everything else that's done to them? can they recover fully from losing everything they had?"

Jenn, like other blame gamers tends to gloss over the reality of what child pornography really is. Perhaps she stays in denial because she's not strong enough to face it. I imagine that would be hard to do. Facing the ugliness of what your loved one did. The problem is that Jenn has decided she's going to be an activist. Oh yes, she's just getting started. Why she even says "i have made up my mind on the issues based on facts". Jenn is making the same mistake the blame gamers and the pedoheads have made....she's not being honest.

For example, in her mile long, book length essay she left in a comment here - there's little gems to be found. Like this one:

these people can't help who they are as a result of genetics, but science and medicine can make strong attempts to set right what nature made wrong

some people are not born with the ability to refrain from acting out on thoughts or making bad decisions.... that can happen with severe clinical depression and other mental illnesses.... when the rest of us are 'firing' normally, they aren't capable of it.

But I have to hand it to her, she does attempt to explain her reasoning

if your neighbor writes bad checks constantly, and you accidentally over draw your account just one time, would you like to be told you can never write another check again because your neighbor screwed up so much that they don't trust anyone writing checks again?? it isn't right or fair, is it?

We're talking about sexual abuse of children Jenn. How dare you compare that to writing a bad check?

i certainly do not condone child or adult rape or child molestation. i just know that there are reasons why people make bad decisions when it comes to doing something like this... and that those reasons need to be addressed and fixed.

i don't think prison or constant civil punishment is the answer. we know that violent sexual offenders, that is, predatory violent offenders, are the minority of sex offenders. should we really continuously punish ALL of them?

Why is it acceptable to imprison someone who commits an act of sexual violence, but it's not acceptable to imprison the man who abuses his victims by manipulating and grooming them? I wonder why Jenn would feel that victims of this type of abuse aren't damaged to the same extent as the person who is violently abused? Does she not understand that the effects can actually be as bad or worse? Well, obviously not. And she obviously feels that looking at children being sexually abused is a crime not worthy of consequences. She asks the blame gamers their position on the issue

"i am very unclear about the position of SO advocate groups on CP offenders. are they including this group in the 'low-risk, non-violent' category in their fight to change SO laws?"

And gets a response from Jackie Sparling, Chief Operations Officer of SoClear Media Productions explains

"As SO Clears Chief Operations Officer, let me assure you that while we in no way support any groups such as NAMBLA, or anyone who believes that having sex with pre-pubescent children is right, we do not delineate between each "sex crime" and determine which person or person(s) we wish to repeal these laws for.

Whether you or your loved one was charged with CP, got caught in a Romeo/Juliet type situation, or was charged with sexual assault/rape doesn't even come into play with our organization. We are interested in helping to create SOLUTIONS, not more problems."

I found that interesting since that's not what Tom Madison has said. But we knew he was a liar didn't we? Read more about men who use child pornography HERE and HERE. Or take a look at Julian Dennis Godwin aka Harvardphd123 of Roar for Freedom. Or Johnny Ray Lee or Andrew Spedden. It seems lots of these activists have had and do have a problem with child pornography.

Dr Seto says

people are likely to choose the kind of pornography that corresponds to their sexual interests, so relatively few nonpedophilic men would choose illegal child pornography given the abundance of legal pornography that depicts adults

And what do these men look at?

• 83% had images of children between the ages of 6 and 12
• 39% had images of 3 to 5 year old children
• 19% had images of toddlers or infants younger than 3
• 92% had images of minors focusing on genitals or showing explicit sexual activity
• 80% had pictures showing the sexual penetration of a child, including oral sex
• 21% had child pornography depicting violence such as bondage, rape, or torture. Most of these involved images of children who were gagged, bound, blindfolded, or otherwise enduring sadistic sex

According to the Crimes Against Children Research Center

We found 40% of the cases involving CP possession in the N-JOV Study involved dual offenses of CP possession and child sexual victimization detected in the course of the same investigation. All of these offenders had identified child victims. An additional 15% both possessed CP and attempted to sexually victimize children by soliciting undercover investigators posing online as minors. When these cases of attempted child sexual victimization are counted, 55% of the CP possessors were dual offenders

Forlorn says that this is minor. Forlorn believes her brother received an unjust sentence and shouldn't have to go to prison for what he did. But there's more. She also believes

throughout history, we had emotionally prepared our young daughters from birth for the task of taking on marriage and a family, and we set them free when their bodies were sexually mature enough to do it. today, their bodies are sexually mature enough, but they are not emotionally prepared to take on those tasks

we expect people to be able to control their responses to 'eye candy' stimuli.... of course they should. but again, the sex drive is a very powerful tool. very powerful. and what was right several hundred years ago is no longer right now... morality has changed, but the human body has not caught up with that.

That sounds very much to me like Shirley Lowery claiming Jesus was a pedophile and having sex with prepubescent children is perfectly normal.

If these people want to be activists, if they want to reform sex offender laws, they need to be honest. No twisting of statistics, no lying, no outrageous and defensive statements for men who have committed horrible crimes against children. They should clean up their act or they will get nowhere fast.

They wanted attention. These blame gamers did. Now they have it. All eyes are upon them, watching and waiting for their next move, their next lie, their next act of twisted propaganda. Anything they say can and will be used against them.

Graphics courtesy of Jacey

We have a ZERO Recidivism Rate!

Andrew Spedden, Lancaster, PA
April 21, 2007

Arrested in 2003 and convicted in 2005 of "having one of the largest child pornography collections in county history will remain in prison for at least another three months"

Having served only 5 months of his sentence before being released on parole Andy had to attend sex offender counseling. And yet a little over a year later he's back before the court. The judge told him "You represent a very high risk of re-offending"

While in therapy Andy admitted having sex with at least 10 children between the ages of 2 and 15 while on parole, although the crimes went unreported to police. He also told a counselor that he approached children for sex at Lancaster Counter Library and that he viewed pornography on library computers. His therapist also learned that Andy used a computer at the First Presbyterian Church in Lancaster to view pornography and solicit sex using Internet chat rooms. I wonder if he told them he was a member of SOSEN?

Andy said:

Shirley, Thank you for your sharp-edged words; they need to be heard!

I'd like to clarify "paedophilia."

There were a few people who thought it best to designate me as a paedophile and/or a hebophile. However, from a licensed psychologist, who performed an independent psychological evaluation of me, and from the first RSO therapist I worked with, the diagnosis was neither paedophilia nor hebophilia. Given the fact that I was going to adult-stores and using adult-pornography as much as I was using underage-pornography, my problem was sex/love addiction, which is what I'm recovering from.

Shirley Lowery says

"Child porn is a puzzler, Sending people to prison for something they see in their own home seems un-American"

"I don't have a huge issue with child porn unless it is linked to another crime. Most of that stuff is 30 years old or older and kids who were victimized are no longer kids"

"Pedophiles love children and enjoy being around them. The majority of pedophiles never act on their fantasies so they are never exposed"

"We must watch over our children and teach them that a penis is a part of a man s anatomy and the sight of one is not an earth-shattering event"

"Kids do not always tell the truth. They are not the rulers of our nation. Adults must live in this world too. It is time that our kids are taught to co-exist with adults although many find the idea sickening"

"Can I say that I am owner and chairman of SOSEN, a support group that deals with former members all across the US and that new legislation has been introduced which interfers with our program where we have a zero recidivism rate?"

What can you possibly say to this? The woman is clearly deranged, but are all her friends and family also? Why do they not insist she gets the help she so desperately needs? I think that's a question that needs answering. When Shirley Lowery takes up the cause of one of the worst pedophile activists on the internet today why are they following her instructions and posting Dylan's No More Victims Act 2007 all over the place? Are they that distorted?

Personally I'm sick to death of reading this bitch. My jaw has dropped so many times it's now sitting on the floor and I'm in fear of a permanent disconnection from my face. If I ran across too many people like her I believe I'd start advocating for a return to lobotomies and massive shock therapy. Although in this case I doubt it could help her.

I'm going to leave you with some Shirleyisms. Have a barf bag ready.....or a straight jacket on standby just in case you run across her. I'm sure there's probably a reward for this animal somewhere.

You are the only attorney I have. I hope you will teach us how to put this nation in a choke hold.

I don't care how many of these things we must file across the nation of we can afford to do it. We can't afford to fight them but we could cause so much disruption and delay and maybe these issues would get tabled for now. How do we tie up the whole ball of wax?

Just for an example let's look at residency restrictions. Many of the area that have passed them only because nobody has challenged them. Many of these small towns don't have the money to fight to keep them. We don't have $ either but I do beleive that we could file pro se and pay only filing fees that that would cause a panic in poorer areas.

I don't know if 10 people could file 1 small claims suite with each of those individuals asking for the max allowed in that particular court or if everyone would
have to spend the $50 to ask for the maximum of $5000.

During the 60 days or so, between the time it is filed and the time of the hearing,some really creative thinking may be taking place. A loss for you means $50. A loss for them could cost $5000 for each person filing. In either case you have cost them time, money and worry

ask that it be turned into a class action and delay the hell out of it for a very long time? We can't afford to fight court battles but maybe we can afford to get states tied up in legal red tape

So many teen disappearances are internet related and the responsibility lies with parents

The way to get pedophiles out of chatrooms is to remove teens who are searching the net for sex

We have underage kids surfing the net for sex. Why aren't we seeing how many of them we can catch and jerk out of these chat rooms? Picking up some trash along the highway might teach them something about personal responsibility

The problem starts with whom we label as a sex offender. A single, non-violent incident can be a mistake, a misjudgment or a set of circumstances. There is no pattern of behavior and no life is forever altered. It would be wise to save that label for a second offense

If the public wants solutions the very best tool available is the sex offender. Who can better provide answers? It takes very little time to determine that a sex offense is a symptom and it is the symptom that gets punished.

A fifty-cent plastic whistle around a kid's neck would work wonders. Teaching them that 3 short blasts is a distress call could save lives. Getting kids off the Internet and providing all kids with a whistle are simple things that any parent can do. I guarantee that it would do far more toward prevention than anything that the government has provided us with. There are many commonsense solutions. Getting society to listen is a whole different story

Jessica (Lunsford) was not tortured and her death comes across more as an assisted suicide than a murder. It looks as if she stepped into the bags of her own accord, squatted down and waited for death.