"But I think we have to say it"

"On December 2, 1978, Tom Reeves of the Boston-Boise Committee convened a meeting called "Man/Boy Love and the Age of Consent." Approximately 150 interested people attended. At the meeting's conclusion, about thirty men and youths decided to form an organization which they called the North American Man/Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA for short."

Bill Andriette in The Guide, the Nambla Bulletin and IPCE - or 'International Pedophile and Child Emancipation' all report that Paul Shanley was not at the meeting that spawned Nambla.

In fact, many pedophiles report that Shanley wasn't there. And yet, Bill Andriette says he was at the meeting on December 2, 1978. And Daniel Tsang reported the December 2, 1978 meeting is the one that spawned Nambla.

Bruce Steele says he's not sure which meeting Shanley attended but it wasn't THAT one. He says Shanley didn't promote pedophilia just simply the liberation of children.

And it was [that] group of people, including Daniel Tsang, who were the founders of NAMBLA. Shanley didn't attend that side meeting.

We don't know whether he was quoted accurately; we do know the article was written by Daniel Tsang, who was a proponent of intergenerational sex. The quotes were shocking, but he wasn't advocating the molestation of children.

Let's look at what he said. Along with a few other familiar names that were in attendance.

[Speech by Father Paul Shanley to the Psychological Panel at the Boston/Boise Committee conference on "Legal, Psychological, and Ethical Issues of Intergenerational Relationships," Community Church, Boston, December 2, 1978]

Dr. Richard Pillard: Organizer - Reform Sex Offender Law Campaign

"Just to keep there from being too much agreement on this panel, let me ask a devil's advocate question. Children are naturally obliging and want to do what older people expect of them. How can you keep a child from feeling exploited, or from being exploited, by an older person, particularly if he's quite young?"

Paul Shanley: Convicted child molester

"Just two brief reflections. Very often I find it's the man who is being exploited by the boy, and sometimes I think we have to help adult males to learn how to handle that situation. I think it was mentioned before that many kids in fact, most kids are very capable of handling themselves and they don't get exploited as often as we would like to think."

Paul Shanley: Defrocked priest

"That word exploitative has been used. I would like to define that as using without caring. That's my understanding of "exploitative" sex. I think a lot of straight sex is exploitative. I think a lot of sex between parents is exploitative. And I think an awful lot of parents are predators. But whatever criteria you arrive at in deciding what sex between men and boys is exploitative, I think you could balance that against parents. You know, you can't abolish parenthood, and neither should you abolish man-boy sex simply because it might not live up to the highest ideal."

Tom Reeves: Pedophile Activist

"They are teachers and boy scout leaders and boys' clubs leaders!" he shouted pounding the podium with both hands. "The men who work with boys **** many of them, and thus obviously can be used against everybody but I think we have to say
it - the motivation behind that work (has) a sexual and erotic element."

David Thorstad: Nambla Steering Committee

Said he was retracting his earlier statement.... that he was not a pederast. "I am very happy to say that over the summer that has changed and it wasn't due to my own initiative either. But just as it is with many men, I was seduced and picked up by a boy and I'm very glad he did it."

David Thorstad, founding member of Nambla. His free speech rights to promote baby raping were defended by John Reinstein (we spoke of here), of the ACLU - after a Nambla member raped and murdered Jeffrey Curley in Cambridge Massachusetts in 1997 after reading Nambla material. A few of the other men named in the lawsuit include Tom Reeves, Joe Power, Roy Radow, Tecumseh Brown, Bill Andriette, Jonathon Tampico, Chris Farrell, Dennis Bejin, Robert Rhodes, Peter Melzer, Rennato Corazza, Chuck Dodson and Leland Stevenson.

Richard Hoffman says:

"NAMBLA claims that it has never advocated violence. Their denial, however, relies on an overly narrow definition. The cognitive and emotional violence done to a child's psyche has consequences more lasting than the tearing of bodily tissue. To a child, an adult's wiles can be more coercive than muscular force."

David Thorstad said:

"To be an active pederast in the United States today is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany. The United States is becoming - perhaps already has become - a police state. "

- pederast -

A man who engages in anal intercourse with boys.

Dr. Judith Reisman:

It seems to me that just as we face the reality of a coterie of closet pederast priests and even bishops we need to face the reality of a coterie of closet pederast therapists and even psychiatrists. For example, the Chairperson of the Department of Psychiatry at Boston University Hospital, Dr. Richard Pillard attended the nascent North American Man-Boy-Love Association (NAMBLA) conference on "Man-Boy-Love."

Pillard, famous for his twin study that claimed to prove a genetic basis for homosexuality, urged his fellow NAMBLAlike delegates to welcome pederasty since, said Pillard, "Men and boys who love each other are engaging in a social experiment."

I could list criminal records of various Nambla members, including the defrocked and convicted priest Paul Shanley - crimes committed by men who claim to just love children and who don't believe it should be a crime to exploit and abuse a child for their own selfish twisted desires. But that would take too long. Instead I'll focus on Leland Stevenson who was released from prison in 1989 for a child pornography conviction, appeared in the ChickenHawk Nambla documentary in 1994 and was then convicted again in 1997 in Florida for possession of child pornography which included pictures of boys aged 8 to 10 years old.

It appears that they LIE when they say they "only" like teenagers. And it appears that they LIE when they say they aren't actually active. Who in their right mind would have believed that in the first place?

Leland Stevenson:

Dear Mr. Love,

At its 16th membership conference, held in Chicago, August 7-9-1992, the North American Man/Boy Love Association unanimously adopted the following resolution:

“NAMBLA calls on the Boy Scouts of America to cease its discrimination against openly gay or lesbian persons in the appointment of its scout masters. This will permit scouts to be exposed to a variety of life styles and will permit more of those individuals who genuinely wish to serve boys to do so.”

I feel especially honored to have been asked to alert you of this resolution...I have also been a scout and a scout leader and share with so many in NAMBLA affection for the movement. We recognize, of course, that the action for which we call is inevitable. What a great added contribution your organization will make possible to all the boys and girls who participate in it when you take this step. May it be taken in the near future.

We share a common mission — to bring greater understanding and light and purpose to the young as they grow. We invite you to join with us in cherishing individual integrity, and in seeking the opportunity for every boy and girl in our country to find their own truth. We encourage you to help every person associated with your organization to be able to express those values from themselves which to them represent for themselves the Good, the True, and the Beautiful. As we work together toward these ends Light will guide our way. We express these sentiments most respectfully,

Very Cordially,
Leland Stevenson
Co-Recording Secretary, NAMBLA

(NAMBLA Bulletin, November 1992)

Tom Reeves:

"(1)The North American Man/Boy Love Association calls for the abolition of age-of-consent and all other laws which prevent men and boys from freely enjoying their bodies. (2) We call for the release of all men and boys imprisoned by such laws."

Alfred Kinsey, Scientist or Baby Raper?

Concerning Steve Diamond, his wiki says:

Diamond is very cocky and full of himself. He believes he has been through all the hardships life has to offer, and therefore everyone needs to listen to what he says.

For those that don't remember him, Steve's the guy that had so many blogs hijacked by Rez from Acme Cleaning Services. Rez hijacked his blog, Stevie boy started another one and Rez promptly hijacked that one, etc. Some of his blogs only lasted mere hours. Steve is a pedophile. He's a boyhater. He's a pervert, and a stupid one at that. Why just today on BoyChat, a haven for the cognitively distorted, Steve proves once again his stupidity. He quoted Dr. Judith Reisman as saying:

"For his wholly unscientific sex experiments on at least 317 children, Kinsey’s pederast team used stopwatches to record their little victims,’ “convulsions” and “hysterical weeping (especially among the younger children)” and “striking” the [adult] “partner” who was violently sodomizing the child. Kinsey testified these torturous cries of terror were “orgasms” that the babies enjoyed."

Well what's wrong with that, you may ask. Nothing. Nothing at all. But what is wrong is what Steve had to say about it.

• she makes it sound like hundreds of infants were being tortured
• Is this woman delusional?...
• she litters her essay with very emotion laden terminologies
• she crosses the line with this behavior, to an obscene extreme
• This is a cheap, low handed tactic, for which people like her are considered infamous
• This has fundamentalist, extremest written all over it
• those sorts are in utter lack of objectivity
• They don't see clearly enough, to have the ability to make any sort of sound judgement
• This is clearly somebody who already had their thoughts set in stone, right from the beginning...and she ran to whatever sources she could find that would back up her own bigotry...and, of course...there are many bigots like her, in this field.
• A fine example of a moral imperialist, and a moral elitist, if ever there was one

Here's your answer Stevie boy Diamond. You quoted Dr. Reisman's words, but in your haste to look like an idiot.....you didn't realize that she was quoting Kinsey himself. Those words were his words. Those descriptions were his descriptions. He was the radical, he was the nonobjective one, he was the one unable to see clearly enough to make a sound judgment, he was the cheap, low handed, bigoted obscene extremist. So why don't YOU get YOUR facts straight first, eh Stevie? It seems to me that it is you who is clueless, not Dr. Reisman

Originally posted July 20, 2006:

As you may know Alfred Kinsey is considered The Father of the Sexual Revolution. His infamous publications Sexual Behavior in the Human Male 1948, and Sexual Behavior in the Human Female 1953 are directly linked to the current attitude Anything Goes.

These publications have created change in our legal system, our educational system, penal system, health care system, and societal values and mores.

His reports are widely quoted by pedophiles and those seeking abolishment of age of consent laws. However, most of us don't really know much about those reports or the far reaching effect they've had on all of our lives.

While I had intended giving you a thorough report about him, there is simply too much information out there to include here on a blog entry. So instead I'll give you a few brief facts. Enough so that you will know to dismiss pedofreaks claims with reference to Kinsey's work.

• Much of his data was retrieved from the diaries of convicted child molesters
  
• Much of his data was retrieved from a Nazi's experiments on Jewish children during WWII
  
• 25-48% of his subjects were in prison and/or deviant males, of which 1400 were classified as sex offenders.
  
• 'Married' women included prostitutes (as long as they lived with a pimp)
  
• Much of his 'scientific' data came from pedophiles, not 'technically trained' experts as he claimed.

In 1979, after Alfred Kinsey died, Paul Gebhard his co-author and the Director of the Kinsey Institute, released some of the data used, its quite impressive, if you know what I mean.

Gebhard revealed that of the 18,000 interviews, 5,300 white males accounted for the research base in the Male Volume; of that 5,300, 2,446 were designated as convicts, 1,003 homosexuals, 50 transvestites, 117 mentally ill, 342 “Other,” 650 sexually abused boys. This yielded 4,628 n=Aberrant and 873 n=“Normal” Male subjects.
NIMH Grant The Kinsey Data; Marginal Tabulations, 1979, p. 3. -6

In Chapter 5 of Kinsey's Male volume, he reports his findings on child orgasms. His famous Table 34 gives the age of the child (a total of 317 children experimented on) ranging in age from 2 months to 14 years. He has documented the number of orgasms that he was able to illicit from them and the time it took to achieve them, measured on a stop watch. The results are appalling, including an 11 month old, 7 orgasms reported in 9 minutes. A 2.5 year old, 4 recorded in 2 minutes. A 13 year old, 3 recorded in 70 seconds. And on and on and on.

But how did they measure those orgasms on those young babies and toddlers we might wonder. From Sexual Behavior in the Human Male pp160-161

Orgasm was defined as follows:

"Extreme tension with violent convulsions: ...sudden heaving and jerking of the whole body... gasping... hands grasping, mouth distorted, sometimes with tongue protruding; whole body or parts of it spasmodically twitching...violent jerking of the penis...groaning, sobbing, or more violent cries, sometimes with an abundance of tears (especially among younger children).... hysterical laughing, talking, sadistic or masochistic reactions... extreme trembling, collapse, loss of color, and sometimes fainting of subject.... some...suffer excruciating pain and may scream ...if the penis is even touched....some...before the arrival of orgasm, will fight away from the partner and may make violent attempts to avoid climax although they derive definite pleasure from the situation."

Need I really say anything else about Kinsey?