Alice Day Facts

April 25. Alice Day. A day created by heterosexual pedophiles to celebrate the abuse and exploitation of little girls. So named for Alice Liddell who inspired Lewis Carroll's monumental work Alice In Wonderland in 1862. It was a story Carroll created for Alice while rowing her and her sisters in a rowboat.

The innuendo child molesters drew from this: Carroll had to be a pedophile! Alice must've been the object of his desire! She belongs to us! No man could tell a child a story simply to entertain her, NO that's not possible!

Of course, the fact that Carroll photographed Alice only compounds the pedophile delusions.

What they don't want you to know however is the most important part of the Carroll/Liddell story. Here are a few of the highlights:

• Fact: It is a myth that Alice was Carroll's "favorite" photographic model. There is no evidence of this.
• Fact: Carroll often entertained women in his rooms at the University....some were married. This was against every social standard and many would be damaged if this information came to light.
• Fact: Carroll's heirs purposefully promulgated the myth of Carroll as the blundering social misfit who was not comfortable around adults. They could not afford for the truth to come to light so they destroyed the entries in his diary that would've explained Carroll's split with the Liddell family.
• Fact: In the late 1800's in England, adoration of children did not raise eyebrows. Entertaining married women in private quarters and owning a collection of adult porn when you're a Reverend did.
• Fact: There is no evidence that Carroll felt anything stronger than friendship for Alice. Repeat: NO evidence that Carroll was a pedophile in general or that he had feelings for Alice specifically.
• Fact: ALL evidence suggests that Carroll was actually just a normal person and the myth that he was a pedophile is the means the family used to hide the deep, dark family secret.....that Carroll was an adulterer at worst.
• Fact: Carroll took Alice's older brother Harry out on the same rowboat years before Alice. This was not a romantic encounter but something Carroll had been doing to entertain the Liddell family for years before he ever took Alice.

The family hid his secrets hoping to protect his reputation. Unfortunately they unwittingly played into the hands of an even more sinister gang than British aristocracy - pedophiles.

Indeed if all available evidence is considered in context then this day to celebrate the love of Carroll's would more aptly be named Lorina Day for Alice's mother.

Of course fans and scholars alike have recognized that there is no evidence Carroll was a pedophile. But there's always a *certain* kind of person who will just never get it.

The myth that Carroll was a pedophile is only that - a myth. So much so that it even has a name (The Carroll Myth). Google the phrase, examine the evidence and decide for yourself.



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When a pervert loves a child.........

"An 8-year-old Cape Coral girl was forced to get off a school bus and urinate on a front lawn while other Cape Elementary pupils watched." Story HERE

Outrageous? You bet. And I seriously doubt if there's one person here who isn't fuming over this story. Heck, even some of the perverts got upset. Some of them. What about the others? Let's look at those a minute. You know....the ones who say that they just love children, they would never harm children, they would always put the needs of a child before themselves, they understand children much more than their own parents!! Yeah, those perverts like:

Abraxas an original NAMBLA member, convicted child molester and general loud mouthed obnoxious POS. We had a long discussion with his good friend Damien Cole back in September about him, and his past. Yeah, good old Rookieeee....who ignores his own pedo-pals when they say in reference to Joseph Duncan..... "Knowledge of a persons past will give you a strong idea of what they will do tomorrow" and while telling all his brothers to behave and not screw things up, and while all the little pedoheads are descending upon blog land making wild claims of NOT being child molesters........oh hell no, they're child lovers. Yes during all of this Rookieeee spoke of convicted pedofreaks who wanted to be pedo activists and made this statement:

"There ain't no way we can (or should) wash our hands of "these people". These people are ourselves"

Well, we agreed. We realize that all you childlovers are indeed convicted child sex offenders. No argument there.

But back to the story.....Abraxas, as a self proclaimed bisexual childlover would surely have something to say about this child........

No big deal......Kids have been peeing in public since time began......Seeing children run around naked is common in many parts of the world......American society is phobic and we have, sadly, made our children afraid of even necessary functions......we do not live in a perfect world

Ah, such understanding. It boggles the mind.

The Phantom:

What do you expect with mimsy-pimsy Americans?

BluegrassBoy:

'scarred for life'?!? LOL

Hierophant:

She will live

The Phantom:

public peeing is practically obligatory in (mainland) China.............All the trauma is a result of societal programming and adults' reaction to the incident, like another activity frequently discussed hereabouts...

What it seems to me that they're lacking besides just general respect and common decency for another human being is empathy. It's interesting that empathy training is a part of sex offender therapy. This is a perfect example of why.

Hey Abraxas, you fat ugly old thang you, how would you like to be forced to urinate on the sidewalk in front of 70 people? Think it wouldn't bother you to hear everyone laughing at you? Especially when you're say....8 years old and especially sensitive to peer pressure? Oh but you do understand 8 year olds, don't you? I almost forgot that part. Children urinating in their own yard, by their own choice does not........by any stretch of the imagination, compare to this. You are a disgrace.

And by the way this is 2007, ok? We have running water and an advanced waste disposal system. We don't live like barbarians or wild animals. We happen to be civilized. But if you'd like to go live in a jungle or a destitute, filthy, uneducated, technologically backwards location........there's a lot of people who would like to help you get there. And good riddance

A Parent's Worst Nightmare

"You are a parent's worst nightmare. You are one nightmare that I'm going to put to rest today."


Judge Chet Tharpe said as he sentenced Steven Schurgard to 85 years in prison.


Steven's father had reportedly turned his son in for his illegal acts back in 2002 after Steven threatened to kill his father. Apparently he had an anger management problem. But he had more problems than that, much more.

When Temple Terrace police went to serve Schurgard, the man who test drove cars for work and lived with his mother answered the door with a gun tucked in the waist of his pants. He threatened police and told them he had child pornography on his computer. Police returned with a search warrant and seized Schurgard's computer and a cache of video and cassette tapes.

Though 617 child porn images were found on Steven's computer, including video tapes of a teenage boy engaged in sex acts in the home Steven shared with his mother....rather than face a trial he plead guilty to three counts of promoting a sexual performance by a child, one count of lewd and lascivious conduct with a victim younger than 18 and five counts of possession of child pornography.

All that was left was to be sentenced by the judge. He could have received as little as 4 years.

Steven Schurgard, who once called himself "a full-fledged pedophile" on his Web site, told a judge Thursday that he was sorry for owning child pornography and filming a young man engaged in a sex act.

But when some of his videos Steven had made were played for the judge....Steven hummed along.

"No one else will ever do. I'm still in love with you."

Is it any wonder then that the judge threw the book at him? We should have more of this type of judicial responsibility, and not just at the arrogant, in-your-face attitude of those like Steven Schurgard.

Schurgard's open plea left the length of his sentence up to the judge. Tharpe watched a video of a 13-year-old boy whom Schurgard plied with video games, drugs and alcohol, then filmed performing sexual acts. He saw a sampling of the obscene images from the man's computer. He was also shown evidence that would not have been allowed at trial but could be used by the judge to determine character. One video, set to the music from Jaws, showed Schurgard peeking through his blinds at a boy playing outside. Another captured him giggling guiltily as he flipped through pictures of naked boys and showed off literature from the North American Man/Boy Love Association, of which he was a member.

The DA "He is the very epitome of what parents lay in bed at night worrying about."

The defense attorney: argued that the 13-year-old had been a willing participant

The judge: "The only regret I have is that I can only sentence you to 85 years"

Trucker: "I think he was just doing what all of us would do if these damn laws didn't force us to obey them. I know the law shouldn't be broken, but to give an honest, wonderful person like that life in prison, and knowing that he would never intentionally harm a child is just preposterous."

Albert Ross: "maybe steve just doesn't know the meaning of fear, but he still gets hero status in my book."

Let's look at what one of those videos were, shall we? Is this meant to instill fear in the hearts of parents? Is it meant to mock society? What the hell was he thinking when Steven Schurgard made this video and posted it on his website?? Norbert said it was meant to be humor. I, for one, am not laughing.

Priorities

Isaak Gowhari

A man has pleaded guilty to animal cruelty charges after bringing a 7-month-old Doberman puppy with broken ribs and leg injuries to a shelter and telling the workers there that his hands hurt from hitting her.

Isaak Gowhari, 34, was sentenced to 45 days in county jail after entering his plea to the misdemeanor counts. The judge also barred Gowhari from owning an animal for three years.

Andrew C. James

In January 2007, Andrew C. James, a man with two prior domestic assault convictions, pled guilty to sexually assaulting a 4-year-old boy in Vermont. In a plea bargain, he was given a $22 fine and sentenced to rehabilitation and lifetime probation. Today, he walks a free man.

In the first instance we have a dog who can't testify. In the second instance we have a little boy with a learning disability who can't testify. These two totally unrelated cases speak volumes. What's your priority?

Randomly Speaking

Just some random words from freakopaths:

JD420 says:
Funny you should use the term... 'riot'...
...half of my training and development involves starting one - usually directed at me. The other half, of course, involves snapping necks 'till the mercenary sheep get the clue to switch sides - which is the real goal of doing such a thing... ;)

And speaking of "anti's" ....Poor tactical sense, poor construction, attacks on innocent bystanders, poor writing skills, a need to bury the facts, being openly notable in outright deception, poor reasoning skills, and much, much more ensures that they put themselves at a loss

Oh well, let's move on and check out what some of the others are saying:

If the children were taught the truth rather than having it held back from them under some thin excuse of "they're not ready", then the children wouldn't be so easily manipulated or exploited. Children are not more easily manipulated or exploited due to some mystical quality of being a child, they are more easily manipulated or exploited due to a lack of experience and knowledge

I'm sure most children would choose to make out with a handsome sugardaddy rather than getting beat by drunk daddy every Friday night.

Whats the one thing a woman can say that will make her sound interesting? "Well my son is 10"

guess you could say that I have used women just to get to their sons. And some knew that! I even had a woman tell her beautiful blond 13 yo son to go over and give me a kiss just because I was so nice......They were both very good in bed, though not at the same time.

I believe there should be absolutely NO AoC. I believe sexual contact even in infancy as ways to pacify or soothe a young child is normal. I'm basically for no one controlling or knowing about sex except for the people involved at the moment. I believe once a child can speak with intelligence (4years old) they can consent to certain acts. I believe certain acts of sex should not happen until anatomically possible (intercourse, anal sex...without damaging tissue). I do believe incest wouldn't be such a problem if other sex laws were obliterated.

Politics is our next phase of attack next to the judiciary; parliament and congress are definitely high profile in our liberation. The fucking anti-ped's have had enough freedom to make all the stupid laws they want under all the idiocy in their thinking. Now I think people are going to start changing their way of thinking of us; especially with all the publicity we're getting. Unfortunately, in the U.S a felon can't run for politics.....

As I said, rape is wrong, and carries an immediate harm with it, yet that harm is not necessarily long-lasting or severe apart from the societal reaction to it. Rape should definitely be punishable by law, and yet I believe we would do rape victims a great service by getting rid of the chief agent of harm - the anti-sexual attitudes that victimize them over and over again.

I remember hearing about a recent study which found that in many cases of non-consentual child/adult sex, the child was not substantially harmed in the long-term.

What possible reasons could there be for why raping is wrong? I will agree that it violates people's autonomy, but is that wrong by itself? Is it certain that rape directly causes harm, or could it be that the harm is only caused by society making the person feel victimized?

Infants are below my AOA, but I have to point out, in the spirit of this forum, that a baby can approve (giggles and laughter) and disapprove (crying and other signs of discomfort) of what is happening.

I for one, am beginning to believe that until we can establish some decent pedosexual foundation in society, we must hold onto an all or nothing argument with no exceptions to weaken our argument in the subject of child sexuality. Every human being, no matter the age, should be allowed to have consenting mutual sexual relations with anyone they wish. All age of consent laws must, and forever, be abolished.

Nature is angry and human beings and their urge to power by trying to control sex: the true source of life,and the sex life of a human being begins in the womb.How dare they be so arrogant as to create an age of consent?!

It's clear why they'll never accept the fact that we love their kids too. Parents don't want anyone else to love their children. If that person has different ideas about what's in the child's best interest, it invades what the parents feel is their exclusive territory. They don't want another cook with a hand in the mix, playing God with what's "theirs." And yet most parents cannot manage to love their children fully. Most parents will never be more than adequate, and a great many fall far short of even that.

I have been saying for years; Child Lovers are the most qualified people in the world to take care of children, for we are the ones who WANT to be with them,

Remember, the first step is not getting people to agree with us, but rather to get them to simply listen to what we have to say

Never compromise the fact that we are fully human, and deserve complete civil rights, respect for our orientation, and understanding for both our sexuality and our love of little girls.

my opinion is that we need to take that ball, tuck it firmly under an arm, even hide it, if necessary, and then charge straight through the opposition, with our minds firmly on the goal on the other side of the field.

I would say we have lost focus of what this whole movement is about. I've said this umpteen times and it frustrates me how the members here have SOOO much greatness and the potential to be the best friends to girls all over the world, but are scared shitless of going to jail. There are ways to work around the laws and if backed to a corner, stand up and be proud of who you are and who you love.

So I say to all of you. Make a REAL contribution. Go out and make a little girl your friend.

I know that I personally am afraid of going to jail, but not too afraid to want to befriend little girls anyway. I think the problem for a lot of us is, we're not sure where to look.

The problem is that it's hard to find ways to be casual friends with little girls these days. Most parents aren't very trusting........I just wish there was a way for me to, for lack of a better word, get access to more little girls!

Well, I'm not here to make them understand. I'm here to rub their noses in it. If the sight of me kissing a boy bothers them, then I'll slip him the tongue too!

I will extend an invitation to any of these antis who wish to come do me bodily harm. I'll give you my home address if you really feel the need to attack me, but I will not make it easy for you. If you step onto this property with a weapon, I'll just shoot you. I urge all of my fellow MAAs to follow my lead--get fit, learn to fight and learn to use a firearm. And then, come out and join me. We CAN make a difference. (Todd Nickerson)

And last but not least, good ol' Winston: Now all we need is a Martin Luther King! "We shall fight them on the beaches.." Or was that someone else?

How to project Peter Pan Syndrome

Peter Pan Syndrome can be used to describe manipulative, immature men trapped emotionally in childhood. As if that's not twisted enough, some of them now dream of projecting this on to children. Take the case of Demosthenes , an admitted militant style pedophile.


Demosthenes started thinking about children with growth hormone disorders, and his twisted, sick mind came up with a plan.....yeah, give them suppressive drugs on purpose and keep them in childrens bodies forever. Of course, only if they consent......

Behind the Scenes

Why do pedophiles rationalize, justify, make excuses and blame? I suppose they must to be able to live with themselves. And I suppose one can convince themselves that anything is 'okay' if they want it bad enough.

Why can we all recognize rationalization so easily and they can't? Perhaps because they've become so accustomed to thinking this way that it becomes normal to them.

Here's some examples
In the first case we have an obviously violent MAN Known as DebateCrime/Winston Smith/Lepidopterist. It's no small wonder that this guy has been thrown out of so many groups and message boards. HERE he attempts to apologize after his previous tirade was deleted by the moderator.

I am ashamed of writing such filth. I blame those pigs and others like them for what I wrote

That doesn't sound like remorse to me. That's typical abuser type behavior. Listen, you can almost here it now.............."Well Honey I'm sorry I blackened your eye, knocked out 2 teeth and broke your arm. But you made me do it"

Excuses
Excuses
Excuses

Here's an example of THAT

Most (90% to 98%) child molesters are "situational offenders"

Uh, huh. Right. As in

your neighbors kid

your co-workers kid

your friends kid

your kids friend

So when SilentWar made that statement here, I found it quite interesting. HERE'S
a good example of it in action.

most of the LGs i know, i met through one of the following ways:

* Schoolmates of my doughter,
* Friends' doughters and young cousins/sisters,
* Roleplayers, and -
* Friends of the above three categories

Now pedophiles would have you believe that they love children. In fact some of them claim to love them more than their own parents. They say they would never harm a child. They say they don't want to have sex with a child, they are merely sexually attracted to them. "Why won't you believe us"? they plead. "Oh and by the way, you should do away with age of consent laws because even 3 year olds like it"
They argue two conflicting points at the same time, and somehow believe they are intelligent, rational, logical people. Ok so then how do you explain THIS?

We need to live our lives the way we want to with the girls we love and adore. It is their smiles and their love towards us that should be on our main agenda. I don't give two fucks if society hates me and wants to have me locked away or shot in the head, I know what the laws are, and I will swerve around them to make myself and the girls I meet as happy as possible.

or THIS

Then perhaps we move on to younger audiences??... i.e. posting on teen forums to more open-minded people before they actually become twisted and screwed up and sick like the antis are...

or THAT

Dominate by terror, hold them personally responsible for the effects of the counterphilanthropic advocacy they promote, track them in search and destroy missions, make alliances in the community until the ranting lunatics are reviled and excluded, and show them up every chance you get with better debate skills and a stronger message. ...it's what's worked so far. Oh, and most importantly - do not submit. Seek, destroy, befriend, and occupy turf.

or the OTHER

Now, that brings us to another matter--forcing society to accept our perspective and accept us. I am getting to the point where I believe it is time we took serious action. I think the time for us to rise up in force and risk our lives for our cause is at hand. I am prepared to do so if others will join me. I no longer care about reasoning with the antis--I agree that, for the most part, they cannot be reasoned with. Viva la resistance!!!

Now this one's a DOOZY

I asked the following questions on one of those anti-blogs once after someone stated (with nothing to back it up) that children are not "physically or emotionally" ready for sex.

* How is an 8-year-old boy not ready "physically" to receive oral sex from a man or from a woman?

* What emotional preparation is needed in order for a willing young girl to be ready to have her naked body gently stroked, massaged, kissed, or licked by a man or a woman?

.

And then we HAVE

my new doubt is if I should talk to "be"(11), my crush, about sex, ...... don't know...... the other day she showed me an interview of one of her fave actors, only the part when he said "I had sex for the first time at 17" she said that's gross!!
I'd be glad to teach her what she should know about it but I'm scared of her parents realizing I am telling her that. I could swear their parents don't even mention a word abouit the subject to her.. sad.

any ideas of how can I educate her?

And he got a REPLY

There are books, at least in English, that are intended for teens (and they would be fine for an 11-year-old) that provide a decent, relatively unbiased view of sexuality. You could help her to get her hands on such a book.

Very good. Encouragement. Never mind that she's not interested, ahem. Just educate her and she will be.

These rationalizing pedophiles insist they are NORMAL while stating that they know they aren't.

We all know why we're here: because we are adults that find children attractive. We hope to see a society where we are allowed to express those feelings without fear of persecution, as long as we are caring and responsible towards the children we are attracted to. But can children reciprocate those feelings of attraction?

I understand that my pedosexuality has to do with unresolved childhood issues that prevented me from "maturing" in certain ways. That's why I'm still only attracted to children (the age I was when I got "stuck") and not adults. So if you have to be "mature" yourself in order to be physically attracted to adults, how can any actual children can be physically attracted to adults?

My answer is Get help and grow up!

But the answer he GOT

Try being 44 and still want to be attractive to lgs. Its very hard. I have
to win them with my personality first.

AND

Anyone who has had the pleasure of being with young children knows how inquisitive children can be. And very pleasant it is to be on the receiving end of that interest.

Not to be OUTDONE

I am regularly stared at by LGs and occasionally jump on the webcam and hook up with kids.....What's most important is to be, and act, more like a member of their peer group than just another adult.

Of course they have NOTHING to be ashamed of.

I feel obsessed all the time. Whenever I have a chance to spend some time with a little girl, any little girl, my thoughts are always about whether or not I should try to strike up a relationship with her. I always want to, and then I feel guilty
I don't know how to just be around little girls without desperately wanting, being paralyzed by fear of discovery, and then crushed and frustrated when nothing happens.
All I can feel is frustration, bitterness, anger, and shame for being this way. How can I not be obsessed? Nothing else is important in life. Little girls are my heroin, and I am an addict.

And can you say WTF?

One of the great arguments I hear out there is that "children aren't emotionally ready for sex"...but what's being emotionally ready for that? It comes off as slightly (and by slightly I mean extremely) hypocritical, given that hookers get picked up every night, and one night stands happen to, oh, pretty much everyone. Where's the emotion in that? Do I have to be emotionally ready to hire a hooker and screw her?

I repeat WTF????

What's their agenda?

"I'm starting to feel like we should stop wasting our time being nice, and just do whatever it takes to win. We need to ram it down their throats and force them to accept us, not plead with reasoned arguments. These people do whatever they're told and parrot whatever they're told to believe. They'd be just as happy to endorse pedophilia if that was the strongest message they were receiving. They have no brains or minds of their own. They want controlling, and it's about time we gave them some.
99% of (non-pedo) humanity is lowlier than slime, once they pass puberty. We are the superior race. There is no negitiating with backward apes. The only way to have the world we want is to shut them up once and for all."

Posted by Enigma on Sunday, May 28 2006 at 07:38:02pm
Posted here

"let's just catch one and rape the bastard silly with a truncheon and then set fire to their balls, followed by castration and a penectomy torture for an extended period of time. it would make me smirk :>/)"

Posted by Debatecrime on Sunday, June 11 2006 at 06:50:11pm
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